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Re:Global economy is probably in recession by whatshisface on Friday August 09, 2019 @12:31PM (#20655866)
Never has there been a better time to invest: the markets have already priced in 100% of the expected value of all of these worrying indicators, so you'll be getting a good price. In fact, no matter what happens you get a good price. On average, today is always a great day to invest.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by orthecreedence on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:25PM (#20656449)
^ This is the exact kind of message that makes me want to pull out of the market. Although, I already did a few weeks back when the S&P did a head and shoulders (which turned out to be a false positive, apparently). Still not rushing to put any more money in the market, though.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by bduerst on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:46PM (#20656661)
Yep. "There hasn't been a better time to buy a home" was pitched to me back in 2008.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by whatshisface on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:29PM (#20656483)
The message that the stock market trends upwards except for random movements that retail investors can't predict was as true last year as it is today.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by msmerberry on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:01PM (#20656830)
Definitely came to mind when reading that. I was a Ford brat, and the husband and I bought when stock was down around the $2 mark. We've made a considerable amount.

I just finished reading a book about the life of Laura Ingalls Wilder, who lived through something like 6 different depressions. Given the historic rates of inflation, innovation, and globalization, I don't really think the stock market is a bad bet IF you're willing and able to play the long game. The 20-30 years game. Get more conservative as you get older. Yes, still possible to get screwed, but it's one of many ways to keep options open.

Re:Global economy is probably in recession by refurb on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:33PM (#20656519)
Sounds like you're selling when it's low and buying when it's high.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by orthecreedence on Friday August 09, 2019 @07:48PM (#20659159)
I sold at the height of the right-hand shoulder. So if I stayed in, I'd actually be worse-off now.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by chris5745 on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:56PM (#20656770)
You might be right on some of these points, but your delivery seems meant to cause doubt because it is unconditionally optimistic. It causes the reader to question you. Do you mean to cause doubt?
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by skummetmaelk on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:15PM (#20656350)
Yes, the market is perfect and infallible.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by whatshisface on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:24PM (#20656432)
Maybe not infallible, but most finance professionals have heard of these indicators. Isn't a it a bit hubristic to think that the HN front page will feature economic news that surprises wallstreet?
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by bduerst on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:48PM (#20656681)
No, because wall street maximizes profits and leaves individual investors holding the bag. You want to get in front of the herd, not be chasing it.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by whatshisface on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:57PM (#20656775)
Right, but when the media reports on macro indicators they're doing it on bag time. Wall street has already seen the yield curves, and that is how they leave retail investors holding the bags. But now that everyone still in the market is holding an empty bag, the S&P accurately represents the value of the bag. It's not a bad deal today because the baggening already happened.
Re:Global economy is probably in recession by bduerst on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:27PM (#20657559)
The bag hasn't been passed yet.

That's going to happen when the funds go through a sell-off. They know it too, which is why they're trading despite the indicators, because they're more plugged into the market info that will let them get off right before the cliff.

Unless you're day trading, individuals should be trimming right now and increasing cash holdings, because the indicators available point to the sell off coming. You're welcome to try to run with the fund herd but they're better equipped and do it full time, meaning you'll be struggling to keep up with them. Better to get in front of the funds than chase them.

Re:Global economy is probably in recession by msmerberry on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:03PM (#20656843)
Right, assume everything is up 8% from where it is today, 3 years from today. The reality may be lower than higher, but unless you're taking on a ton of risk, you have an excellent chance at having more than you did today.