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Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by User23 on Friday August 09, 2019 @12:58AM (#20651450)
Two things. First, military security is entirely dependent on economic security. The productive capacity of a country's economy places a hard upper limit on its ability to produce materiel and thus effectively wage war. For obvious reasons trade can't be relied on when at war with the former trading partner.

Second, this administration has been promising a trade war with China since before the election. It's not as if this is some kind of surprise. "CHYNA!" was a major campaign issue.

For background: in the Nixon era, the USA decided that it would start a Marshall plan style trade deficit funded "investment" in China, with the belief that increasing the economic prosperity of the PRC would lead it to greater openness and generally becoming a tame satrapy of the US empire, much as Germany and Japan did. Now that it's clear that plan was a complete failure and the Chinese played the Americans for fools, some Americans, most notable among them the President, are looking to reset to a less inequitable trade relationship. Pretty much all major economic and political news from the pacific region is a consequence of this process. The Hong Kong riots? Turns out the CIA is involved[1]. North Korean missile launches? Yeah, how much real autonomy does the DPRK have when China decides to call shots?

Edit: [1] https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/08/08/us-calls-china-thug... (Obviously this is a pro-US outlet and frames it as innocuously as possible, but anyone who knows anything about tradecraft knows that "diplomat" in this context is a polite word for operative).

Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by vmlinuz on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:00AM (#20651681)
"The Hong Kong riots? Turns out the CIA is involved."

I would be very interested in seeing any credible evidence that 'the CIA is involved' in the current Hong Kong protests.

And I don't mean HKHermit scratching his stomach, or the hilarious training manual for non-verbal battle communications...

Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by saiya-jin on Friday August 09, 2019 @04:30AM (#20652312)
Well, generally speaking, this is exactly the ballpark CIA feels very much at home at and has tons of experience doing exactly this, for last 70+ years.

On the other hand, Chinese involvement would also make sense, but things are too obviously pointing to their direction for my subjective taste.

Maybe its both - US escalating situation just because that's what 3-letter agencies do, China obviously deeply involved since its a crucial place for them and literally their territory, which is rebelling and questioning Chinese supremacy. At the end, these are all just constant games for these folks.

Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by vmlinuz on Friday August 09, 2019 @05:01AM (#20652502)
I know you didn't make the original comment, but I'm going to put this one down as "stated as fact, no actual evidence"...
Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by yorwba on Friday August 09, 2019 @05:48AM (#20652787)
In the Chinese media I've read about this, the CIA usually isn't accused directly. Rather, they cite a Washington Post article [1] where Allen Weinstein, co-founder of the National Endowment for Democracy, says "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." Then they argue that the NED's funding of various political groups in Hong Kong [2] is essentially a CIA operation.

Personally, I think that's a lazy argument trying to link the CIA (known bad) to the NED (therefore also bad). On the other hand, it does mean that US government organizations are picking favorites to provide with funding in order to influence the politics of foreign countries.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/22/i...

[2] https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2018/

Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by NicoJuicy on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:38AM (#20651824)
Lol, it's China that caused the riots.

That should be clear by now :p

Re:U.S. Holds Off on Huawei Licenses as China Halts Crop-Buying by IllogicalLogic on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:30AM (#20652048)
US & UK intelligence have a long record of actively creating discord where there would be none for economic/political gain.

To act like this is not the case, is to ignore well documented history.