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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by musicale on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:30PM (#20629861)
This is interesting - it says that they are connected to an internet exchange point (IXP), which means presumably they are their own AS and don't pay for peering. It makes them basically a peer of Verizon, etc..

It's a bit of a reminder of what the internet actually is - a bunch of networks connected together. If you make your own network, negotiate or purchase a piece of the IPv6 address space, and convince someone to connect to you and exchange BGP routes then you are part of it.

I wonder how hard it is to join an IXP and how much it costs?

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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by buildbuildbuild on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:45PM (#20629997)
IX costs vary by region but in NYC you can expect around $700/m for a 10g port as a startup. Transit costs over an IX port are much higher than crossconnecting directly to a provider, but IX ports are convenient and save a lot of bandwidth cost if you’re good at building relationships.

The network engineering world is very different from software. Relationships are everything and the pricing very opaque. Often pricing and lists of “who is in the building” are even behind NDA. If you are an “eyeball network” (more downloads than uploads) your transit costs will be much cheaper if you know how to negotiate, for example.

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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by _-david-_ on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:19PM (#20630247)
>$700/m

Is that $700 a minute, month or something else?

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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by buildbuildbuild on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:25PM (#20630290)
Month. Yikes that would be expensive otherwise!
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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by wmf on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:42PM (#20629964)
Your terminology is a little loose there. Generally large ISPs like Verizon will not peer with random small ISPs. Even if you're connected to an IXP you still have to pay for transit if you want to reach the whole Internet.
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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by BrianNYC on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:01AM (#20631894)
Yes, I don't think Verizon would peer with us, but we peer with some very large companies like Google, Apple, Akamai. The full list is here- https://www.nycmesh.net/peering
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Re:New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web by BrianNYC on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @11:58PM (#20631885)
Our IXP connection to DE-CIX is donated. Our transit is also donated from Packet.net, Webair and Pilot. Yes we have our own ASN.
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