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Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by djsumdog on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:42PM (#20626865)
Wonder if we'll see these on the Raspberry Pi 5 and other embedded boards?

This is pretty amazing; much better than the current eMMC and SDCard based storage solutions on a lot of dev boards.

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by gambiting on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:21PM (#20627336)
RockPi has a full size M.2 connector that accepts most NVMe drives:

http://rockpi.org/

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by tristor on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:04PM (#20627793)
I bought a Rock Pi 4 and the whole kit-n-kaboodle. Just finished doing some benchmarking and it has pretty impressive performance, but it definitely needs assistance staying cool. The case I have is aluminum with the bottom of the case being a whole-board heatsink, and I still had to set it on top of ice packs with a fan blowing to keep it from throttling under heavy benchmarking load.

I think one thing people don't think about with SBCs is that we are making pretty significant thermal performance trade-offs. I wish somebody made a case with a clean flow through and at least 1 120mm fan in it.

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by mceachen on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:57PM (#20630092)
Or... you could make your own Extra Fancy case: https://twitter.com/mrm/status/1157820493098934272
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by chaoticmass on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:47PM (#20627600)
I bought one of these for fun, with the whole kit, NVMe drive and a nice aluminum case... not sure what I am going to do with it but it's a really nice little PC and amazing what it can do.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by hipboi on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @11:56PM (#20631879)
Ongoing work on the reverse-engineered Panfrost OpenGL ES driver for Arm Mali GPUs has turned the RK3399 SoC into a very attractive platform to try out Wayland on ARM devices.

https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2019/08/06/rock...

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by shawnz on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:50PM (#20626952)
Is it better than SD Express though, which also supports PCIe and is backwards compatible with existing cards?
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by wtallis on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:24PM (#20629803)
This doesn't seem to be targeted at the frequently-swapped use cases that SD cards are made for. It's more about adding repairability/upgradability to internal primary storage in small devices. For that use case, the 4x throughput advantage is probably reason enough to rule out SD Express.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by throwaway542134 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:42PM (#20627544)
I don't think the connector is the problem but the devices you connect to. RPis are notorious for having a poor lifespan due to reading/writing from the SD cards, but I think that's mostly due to the cost tier of a $30 computer.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by solarkraft on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @04:44PM (#20629425)
> RPis are notorious for having a poor lifespan due to reading/writing from the SD cards

How does the Raspberry Pi deteriorate from the interaction with the SD card?

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by bayindirh on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:09PM (#20627824)
I'm running a batch of SBCs which boot from SD cards as home or forgettable servers. None of them died due to SD card failure yet. A good SD card with a little optimization keeps the flash media wear out at bay.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by bobwaycott on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:54PM (#20631374)
What little optimizations?
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by bayindirh on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @03:03AM (#20632539)
Like writing logs to RAM and syncing back to disk daily or only on reboots/shutdowns, keeping high-write applications on a USB drive and providing the biggest cache possible by slimming down the OS memory footprint.

This two things reduce the hits to SD card substantially.

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by imtringued on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @03:57AM (#20632768)
It has more to do with the garbage $2 power supply someone had "lying around".
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by myself248 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:05PM (#20630145)
Hardkernel saw this need and addressed it; their boards use an eMMC daughterboard with a standardized connector that I could swear I've seen picked up by a few other vendors now.

I wonder if they'll switch over to this on some future generation.

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by 95014_refugee on Thursday August 15, 2019 @06:18PM (#20710258)
Never happening on something in the RPi price range; that socket will be far too expensive.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by SlowRobotAhead on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:52PM (#20626983)
Please correct me if I’m wrong but no RaspPi has a PCIe interface, yet. From the embedded side of things, I would expect that to be a whole Pi generation out. Even then, I’m honestly not sure what the use case is, the Pi is doing amazing things with SPI and USB.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by pritambaral on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:58PM (#20627062)
The USB 3.0 controller on the Pi 4 is connected via PCIe.

https://blog.hackster.io/meet-the-new-raspberry-pi-4-model-b...

Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by shawnz on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:55PM (#20627017)
The RPi 4 uses PCIe to interface with the USB 3 controller. However it doesn't provide an external interface for it.
Re:Toshiba Introduces New Tiny NVMe SSD Form Factor by matthewmacleod on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:02PM (#20627115)
You can, of course, hack your own together :)

http://mloduchowski.com/en/blog/raspberry-pi-4-b-pci-express...