8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by watwut on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:55PM (#20618832)

Situations where Germans were killed for just being Germans, as opposed to being soldiers, are being talked about as injustice today. The rapes done on German women after WWII are not defended as rightful today either.

There is big difference between military action against Germany, ISIS, what have you and "kill Germans" in general.

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Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by filoleg on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:30PM (#20619215)

> Situations where Germans were killed for just being Germans, as opposed to being soldiers, are being talked about as injustice today. The rapes done on German women after WWII are not defended as rightful today either.

I am glad you stressed "today", because back then, I bet, they weren't talked about the same way.

It is much easier to look back at distant actions and condemn them. At the time when they actually happen, however, things aren't always as clear-cut. I am certain that a lot of "totally ok" today things will be "totally not ok" once we are removed far enough from them.

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Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by watwut on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:08AM (#20622312)

In what way they were not clear cut back then? It is not like people at the time were confused over meaning of rape or confuscation of property and so on.

These were debated as issues from the first moment. You had those who push for these kill all policies and those who oppose them. Sometimes one side win, other times the other and result is controversial from start for years.

There is this idea that "judging by the time" means judging by the perspective of worst person available, but that is not how history happened.

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Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by filoleg on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @04:58PM (#20629565)

I was talking about generally accepted opinions by the population. Today, as the quote said, "Germans being killed for just being Germans are generally accepted as injustice".

Was it the case back in the day, though? I am not so sure about that. Of course there were plenty of people who thought this was a great injustice, but I don't think the general public back then would even raise a brow of condemnation towards a person claiming that this was ok and totally justified.

P.S. this is a total speculation about this specific scenario, but I had similar conversations about atrocities committed on the eastern front by soviet soldiers with my older family members who were young adults in 50s-60s in USSR. What I got was that their whole generation was pretty much on board with it, because, in their words, "Nazis deserved it" (with the implication being that every German person was a nazi, of course, even civilians). Not so much of a popular opinion these days.

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Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by balls187 on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:35PM (#20619285)

Try putting yourself in the shoes of someone in the US in 1940.

Would the statement "kill germans" be intolerant?

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When I was in grade school, a holocaust survivor was invited to speak at my school. At the time we had a german foreign exchange student. As a joke, one of his friends baited the speaker into going on a vitriolic rant about how much he hated Germans. The speaker than paused, and gathered himself and said he did not blame today's generation for the previous ones horror, but that the terror inflicted upon him and his family would be with him forever.

I was chosen to ask a question, and asked him what it must feel like when he sees young people today wearing Nazi paraphernalia and glorifying the Nazi regime.

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