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Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by dmix on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:26PM (#20615414)
> But Deutsche Telekom, Ger­many’s dom­i­nant op­er­a­tor, took a less costly route in 2012, up­grad­ing its ex­ist­ing cop­per net­work through a tech­nol­ogy called vec­tor­ing.

The article keeps mentioning this company repeatedly. Is Deutsche Telekom really the only game in town across the whole country?

I thought Canada’s oligopoly was bad, but one company for a much bigger country sounds like the perfect recipe for this type of thing.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by hannob on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:35PM (#20615513)
> The article keeps mentioning this company repeatedly. Is Deutsche Telekom really the only game in town across the whole country?

Pretty much, yes.

"Deutsche Telekom" is the company that came out of the former state telecom company. So they own the national telephone network.

Appart from a few local networks the only alternative is Internet through the tv cable network. However that never got complete coverage in Germany.

So for a lot of people Telekom is the only company that can offer them Internet connectivity. All the others are just reseller offers.

Also there have been some pretty nasty strategies where they actively prevent other companies from building parallel infrastructure: Places where Telekom didn't offer fast Internet for years, then a competitor builds a fiber network and coincidentally just shortly afterwards Telekom offers fast Internet, so the competitor looses because he can't get as much income as expected.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by rayiner on Monday August 05, 2019 @01:15PM (#20615956)
In most European countries, like in the U.S., there was a national telephone company. These are by and large privitized in the 1980s and 1990s, subject to various rules and regulations.

In the U.K., France, and Germany, the phone operator (BT, France Telecom, and Deutsche Telekom) were kept intact, but regulated. In the 1990s, they were required to lease out access to the phone network to competitors at regulated, wholesale rates. The idea is that you can't have effective competition for the last mile anyway, so you might as well put that into a monopoly, and require it to offer access to the last mile loops to competitors. (Obviously you then have to regulate the price of that wholesale service otherwise the monopoly can easily circumvent that by pricing wholesale access sky high.)

This approach is common, and theoretically sound. Something similar is used for the electric market in the U.S. (a local, rate-regulated monopoly owns the electric wire into your house, but it is required to buy electricity from competitive, wholesale markets.) But it's hard to do correctly--if you set the regulated rates too low, you kill off any incentive to invest. If you set them too high, consumers pay too much. Nobody really did it that great--of the largest five EU countries (the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy), all have slow Internet relative to the U.S. Spain and France are turning that around recently by investing a bunch of government money in building fiber.

The U.S. situation was better due to an accident of history. Unlike most of Europe, almost everyone already had two wires into their house (cable and telephone). The U.S. implemented unbundling for DSL service for a relatively short but key period (early 2000s). That set a floor--cable had to be better than DSL to compete.

That never happened in the big EU countries. If you look at the OECD statistics, the thing that really holds them back is very high DSL usage: https://data.oecd.org/broadband/fixed-broadband-subscription.... Germany, France, and the U.K. have 30 DSL subscribers per 100 people, versus just 7 for the U.S.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by luckylion on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:39PM (#20615543)
> Is Deutsche Telekom really the only game in town across the whole country?

For DSL, essentially, yes. Everybody else rents their infrastructure from them. Cable is a general competitor, but it suffers from other problems and will often be much slower than advertised during peak hours.

Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by djmips on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:28PM (#20620371)
And yet Canada is still much worse...
Re:Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet by yhamv on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:29PM (#20615446)
Not saying it's the case here but it was usually one public operator controlling the entire country, which then got privatised in the 90s or stuff. So they have access to 99.9% of the population.