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Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by throwaway42688 on Sunday August 04, 2019 @06:54PM (#20609759)
Throwaway account for obvious reasons.

I’m mid-way through my first experience with this. Some warning flags to add for anyone wondering if it’s them or you:

- You’re beginning to wonder if it’s you that’s crazy, despite successful previous roles.

- Their conversation has moved from “we” to “I” (or “you” and “us”).

- Your number of known unknowns (usually people- or business-based) suddenly spikes for no apparent reason

- Other people become (comically) formulaic in their response to questions.

- Feedback channels are quietly shut down because they’re “not really needed/too much process/etc”

I’ve started thinking of it as “professional gaslighting”, though its motivations may not be that sinister. My main mistake was not listening to that feeling that “something is wrong”. It’s surprisingly prescient.

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by mpweiher on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:22PM (#20610101)
I've had that (the gaslighting) happen to me so many times.

"You didn't do this assignment"

"Er, yes I did, here it is"

"Well, you didn't keep me up-to-date on it"

"Er, here are my weekly status report e-mails"

"But you know I don't read my e-mails"

Huh?

Another good one was the following: I had assigned one of my reports a task before going on vacation. During said vacation, my "manager" pulls said report from that task. Then afterwards dings me for that task not being completed.

Huh?

"We're not paying you your bonus"

"Why?"

"You have to know that yourself".

"I do not, and no, that's not how this works"

"I won't tell you"

Fortunately that was in Germany, so not just crazy, but also illegal.

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by hinkley on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:37AM (#20611780)
You know that landlord who tried to keep your deposit by dinging you on everything, especially normal wear and tear?

Yeah, I've caught managers doing the same thing. I may have opportunity to call them on it coming up.

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by DocTomoe on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:52AM (#20611864)
I'm intrigued: What part of German labour laws make it illegal to not tell you why your employer does not give you a voluntary payment (e.g.: A bonus)?
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by mpweiher on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:10AM (#20622887)
As the other commenter wrote: bonuses are variable compensation that is part of the negotiated contract/wage, so not at all 100% voluntary.

So the employer can refuse to pay the bonus, but they have to give a valid reason. There are two levels to this: first, basic employment law, which places very hard limits on what you can do. Second, many companies (like this one) have agreements between the works council and the company, agreements that regulate these and other matters and become part of the employment contract, and are therefore also legally binding and enforceable.

In all cases, the employer has to have valid, provable performance-related reasons, these have to be communicated to the employee in a timely fashion and the employee given a chance to improve their performance.

In my case, management was so clueless that they knew none of this, they thought that bonuses were gifts they can shower on people they favour on a whim, just like a king to his subjects.

It was a bit of a rude awakening. :-)

They then tried to create a "case" retroactively, but apart from the fact that there was no case, it also wouldn't have mattered at that time.

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by tatami on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:57AM (#20612155)
There are forms of voluntary payments, but a bonus is not one of them (despite its name). It's range is usually part of the contract.

You can cheat around paying more than the minimum bonus by picking yearly targets (quantifiable like for sales) which are absurdly high.

I never had a bonus, so please take this as 3rd hand information.

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by C1sc0cat on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:28AM (#20612871)
"I don't read my e-mails" sounds like a grievance case "Manager X is NCI because …"
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by mpweiher on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:45AM (#20622782)
What's NCI?
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by C1sc0cat on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @04:13AM (#20623236)
Non culpable incompetence - ie what hr put down when they sack you for not doing your job
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by bitshaker on Sunday August 04, 2019 @06:57PM (#20609772)
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by stuntkite on Sunday August 04, 2019 @08:23PM (#20610102)
Very interesting read. The article has a dead link to something Anton LaVey wrote called "NOT ALL VAMPIRES SUCK BLOOD!". I'm not a Santanist and had never read it before, but it's pretty spot on.

https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/73307/20/LaVey_-_The_...

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by michaelchisari on Sunday August 04, 2019 @11:40PM (#20611067)
And now I know where the "energy vampire" from What We Do In The Shadows draws inspiration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyZqO0AclU

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by stuntkite on Monday August 05, 2019 @01:33AM (#20611538)
That reminds me of the old video from The Onion called "Sony Releases New Stupid Piece Of Shit That Doesn't Fucking Work" from '09.

"Invite your friends over to see if one of them can figure out this fucking god damned fucking time vampire."

That was the first time I heard the term "time vampire" and have been using it ever since. I don't think this tangent is fully off topic.

https://www.theonion.com/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-s...

Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by pmiller2 on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:24PM (#20609888)
That seems to perfectly describe a lot of smaller startups.
Re:“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018) by Cactus2018 on Sunday August 04, 2019 @09:10PM (#20610259)
You might be living in the book Bad Blood by John Carreyrou.