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Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by Vaslo on Saturday August 03, 2019 @12:11PM (#20601086)
“If AI is the new electricity, then data is the new coal.“

Ugh

Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by amrrs on Saturday August 03, 2019 @12:18PM (#20601137)
I've been pondering about this analogy. I like this one but if AI us the new electricity do we need more Edisons or Teslas? I think everyone jumping into AI stuff learning Deep learning and stuff seems to learning how to create electricity itself than creating Lightbulb and other stuff that runs on electricity - building user apps on it.

Does anyone else feel so ?

Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by heipei on Saturday August 03, 2019 @01:25PM (#20601538)
I don't know, just check out a few Kaggle competitions and how pragmatic the winning teams are approaching their solution. It's most often a combination of tried-and-true techniques, used in an ensemble, with some smart feature selection. Anecdotally, there's plenty of ready-to-use ML tech available nowadays that I, as a novice, was able to go from zero to working Gradient Boosting classifier within a few days. For me that's the definition of applying the techniques without trying to earn a PhD in the field.
Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by fhars on Saturday August 03, 2019 @12:54PM (#20601368)
I think „data is the new oil“ is the more apt analogy: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=oil+spill+bird&iax=images&ia=image...
Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by nkozyra on Saturday August 03, 2019 @02:26PM (#20601832)
Oil is the processed product. Data is more like coal, generally useless to ML unless processed.
Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by boulos on Saturday August 03, 2019 @02:37PM (#20601891)
Oil is both terms (e.g., crude oil).
Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by nkozyra on Saturday August 03, 2019 @02:25PM (#20601827)
"Ugh" is not a substantial rejoinder. It's an apt analogy in my opinion. People keep waiting for AI to break out, and the argument here is it's not alone a product, it's a requisite tool for building them. AI, of course, is dependent on copious quality data, such that it fuels AI.

With what would you disagree?

Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by skybrian on Saturday August 03, 2019 @02:37PM (#20601894)
Like many memes, it's vivid for no good reason. The only relationship in common is that A depends on B. Everything else about it is misleading.

Data is not fuel, let alone a fossil fuel. It doesn't provide energy and doesn't get used up.

Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by hirundo on Saturday August 03, 2019 @03:39PM (#20602220)
> It doesn't provide energy

Training a model with data reduces entropy in the model. Isn't a local increase in energy a decrease in entropy?

> ... and doesn't get used up.

With respect to the model, that data was useful before training and not useful after training. Its entropy lowering potential is decreased.

Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by nkozyra on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:28AM (#20605820)
Fuel is used as the metaphor here in the respective mechanisms.
Re:N-Shot Learning: Learning More with Less Data by dang on Saturday August 03, 2019 @04:03PM (#20602357)
Please don't do this here. It only makes things worse.