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Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by ralph84 on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:45PM (#20594388)
Once you get to Google or Apple scale, you’re essentially a government and run into the same problems with central planning that governments do. It’s absolutely the right move to return the money to shareholders and let them reallocate it to more economically promising endeavors. That doesn’t make a statement about innovation stagnation on the whole, it just reflects the reality of diminishing returns to scale.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by dmix on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:12PM (#20594638)
Why not buy some companies and get some proper entrepreneurs back into the mix of management? I can't remember any recent major Google acquisitions.

No mega company really has to have internal innovation. And I doubt the pretend internal startups ala skunkswork with an unlimited budget and extensive runways are a real replacement for innovation popping out of the marketplace among the bodies of a hundred other failed/acquihired startups.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 02, 2019 @08:00PM (#20597688)
> Why not buy some companies and get some proper entrepreneurs back into the mix of management?

Because it's inefficient. Google could buy a thousand biotech startups that are all doing innovative work trying to cure cancer and things like that, but that work has nothing to do with search engines or data centers, so it makes no sense to put it under the same roof. The same management staff isn't going to be effective in managing both types of business, all it's going to do is split their focus.

But give the money to the shareholders and the ones who want to can use it to invest in biotech, others can invest in electric cars or new types of power generation or energy storage or space exploration or whatever else.

Using the profits from search engines to fund cancer research and space exploration is great. Running those businesses inside the search engine company is pointless.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by inlined on Friday August 02, 2019 @08:47PM (#20597883)
> Google could buy a thousand biotech startups that are all doing innovative work trying to cure cancer and things like that, but that work has nothing to do with search engines or data centers

Yet it has a lot to do with Calico, another Alphabet company.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by AnthonyMouse on Saturday August 03, 2019 @03:08AM (#20599090)
That's just them doing the silly thing they ought not to be doing. What synergy exists that causes Calico to be better off as part of Alphabet instead of as an independent company?

What if I want to invest in Calico but not Google, or vice versa? All it's doing is making the market less efficient.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by whatshisface on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:00PM (#20598376)
Google investors won't be able to invest in high-risk biotech startups if they aren't accredited. Everyday investors are only allowed to access weird investments through the left-field bets of big companies.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by AnthonyMouse on Saturday August 03, 2019 @03:19AM (#20599112)
> Google investors won't be able to invest in high-risk biotech startups if they aren't accredited. Everyday investors are only allowed to access weird investments through the left-field bets of big companies.

Only they can't do it that way, because if you buy a share of Alphabet, basically the entire value is from Google and even if one of the little left-field bets triples in value it would have only marginal impact on the overall share price.

Meanwhile if you did want to do such a thing, the better solution would be to have a fund with the sole purpose of investing in high-risk biotech startups, and then invest in a slew of them to better diversify the risk. Then let retail investors buy shares in that entity, which is all biotech instead of being a tiny sliver of biotech but really mostly Google.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by meddlepal on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:55PM (#20598575)
Becoming an accredited investor doesn't take a lot of money... I would bet a good chunk of this site qualifies under the rules.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by scarface74 on Friday August 02, 2019 @05:15PM (#20596712)
Why not buy some companies and get some proper entrepreneurs back into the mix of management? I can't remember any recent major Google acquisitions.

With all of the failed and failing products from Google acquisitions, is that really a great idea?

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by dmix on Friday August 02, 2019 @05:45PM (#20596901)
Probably not for the product's consumers, no.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by cameronbrown on Friday August 02, 2019 @02:45PM (#20595508)
> Why not buy some companies and get some proper entrepreneurs back into the mix of management? I can't remember any recent major Google acquisitions.

Firebase (acquired in 2014) seems to qualify as semi-recent given it's become a massive product line in a few years.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by ethbro on Friday August 02, 2019 @05:26PM (#20596793)
Buying best of breed solutions that integrate with their cloud is as good an ever-present option as I can think of.

It adds value to their cloud, is responsive to actual customer desires, and generally seems like a bargain at the right stage (a Google-supported tool being more valuable than a third-party GCP tool, even with Google's questionable dedication to longevity).

Just don't make the IBM / MS mistake and think adding more PMs to previously successful company is a good idea.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by Shounak on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:32PM (#20596377)
Notably they also recently acquired Looker
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by ErikVandeWater on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:57PM (#20596587)
Strongly agree!

There are an almost unlimited number of things to do with money. Even if you have lots of money, the number of good opportunities exceeds the amount of cash. It doesn't even have to be high-risk acquisitions - Just anything that will get a good return.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by zhoujianfu on Friday August 02, 2019 @03:52PM (#20596036)
This just struck me as the same reason UBI is a great policy for governments. Just distribute the cash people, you’re too big to allocate it well!
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by vasco on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:30PM (#20596356)
That's just an argument for lowering taxes.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by jonny_eh on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:45PM (#20596495)
No, that's assuming that the free market is best at distributing wealth. Evenly distributing at least some of the money isn't the same as "spending" it.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by gwright on Friday August 02, 2019 @09:41PM (#20598090)
The casual assumption that it is appropriate for government to tax people in order to distribute wealth "evenly" is disturbing.

I'm reacting to the "even distribution" notion not taxing in general. I think there are legitimate reasons for government to collect taxes but ensuring even distribution of wealth isn't one of them, IMHO.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by rorykoehler on Saturday August 03, 2019 @12:23AM (#20598655)
Uni is even to a cap which is completely different than even. Making sure everyone has enough to comfortably survive without restricting high earners from chasing riches is not the same as evenly distributing wealth.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by jonny_eh on Sunday August 04, 2019 @01:37AM (#20604607)
There's a difference between evenly distributing ALL money, as in communism, and a minimum so that people don't need to suffer in poverty.

You're making a value judgement that it's worse to distribute some tax dollars than to turn a blind eye to poverty.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by gwright on Sunday August 04, 2019 @01:29PM (#20607909)
I explicitly said I was responding to the notion of "even" and not arguing against taxing in general.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 02, 2019 @07:46PM (#20597620)
> That's just an argument for lowering taxes.

It's both.

You don't tax people and then provide everyone with a free dog, you just let people keep their money and they'll use it to get a dog if they want one.

If you want to help the poor, you don't give them bureaucratic programs that require them to buy specific amounts and types of food, housing and education, you just give them the money and they can figure out what they need better than you. In that case some of the money came from different people than it went to, but it's still the same principle.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by meddlepal on Saturday August 03, 2019 @12:00AM (#20598594)
> you just give them the money and they can figure out what they need better than you.

Alternatively they fall prey to lotteries, casinos, drugs, alcohol, or any other number of things and you're right back at square one... give them more money.

It's a blackhole feel-good policy that ignores reality. It's better to put strong social safety nets in place. Buy the food and the clothes for them, maybe even establish a discretionary stippend. But don't just say to people here's 20K ... Good luck! Most people don't have a concept of budgeting... It's not going to work.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by AnthonyMouse on Saturday August 03, 2019 @02:58AM (#20599069)
> Alternatively they fall prey to lotteries, casinos, drugs, alcohol, or any other number of things and you're right back at square one...

This is contrary to evidence. There are people who are poor and there are people who are addicts, but the extent to which they overlap is only because of the tendency of addiction to make you poor. The bulk of the poor are not poor because they piss their money away on drugs and casinos.

Moreover, giving people stuff instead of money doesn't help the addicts -- or anyone else -- because stuff is fungible like money, only less efficiently. You give an addict food and shelter and they'll sell the food and sublet the shelter and go blow the money on their addiction. Because the root of their problem isn't that they don't have enough food or housing or money, it's that they need to break their addiction or they will never hold onto those things.

Meanwhile giving out stuff instead of money only costs the taxpayer more for the same amount of benefit, because that inefficiency is universal. You give people money for clothes and they'll buy clothes with it, even if they already have clothes, because they can't spend it on anything else. But that's just a waste of the taxpayer's money, when it could otherwise have gone to something they actually needed.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by gingabriska on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:13PM (#20596201)
Returning money would create inflation for acquiring future cash cows (think : firebase)

Imagine, if Google returned money then investor gets the money and now they try to invest it somewhere else, highly likely, these guys will go after companies which Google want to buy out. Why make it expensive for yourself to buy your threats?

The idea is that investment opportunities are shrinking, more money in market for limited opportunity is what creates inflation, makes it expensive for everyone to acquire new companies.

It's specially true for big tech companies where pension funds and other investment fund own large chunk of stock, if they get the money, they'll put it in venture capital or private equity which either increases cost to acquire technology (patents etc...) Or existing businesses.

Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by docker_up on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:20PM (#20596264)
Google has already created inflation from their stock price. The houses in the Bay Area have doubled in 5 years precisely because FANG engineers have had their shares skyrocket 6-10x, so they buy multiple houses.
Re:Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company by gingabriska on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:26PM (#20596328)
I am not talking about this kind of inflation.

I am talking specifically about inflation for purchasing future cash cows.