Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by vannevar on Thursday August 01, 2019 @08:54PM
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Most of these efforts are aimed at taking advantage of lags in information flow, often within the very trading systems on which the trades are occurring. They are exploits, not essential market-making. Noise, not signal. What's the right timeframe? Something based on the time it takes for humans to reason about a price. Not a day, but certainly not milliseconds, either.
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Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by tomp on Friday August 02, 2019 @02:40AM
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By “taking advantage of lags in information flow” you’re actually disseminating information and reducing the lag.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by MagnumOpus on Friday August 02, 2019 @03:00AM
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The social value or reducing the price dissemination lag from a microsecond to 110 ns is zero. Hence why the billions of resources going into it are a greater waste than even bitcoin.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by voldacar on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:03PM
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If they were noise, they would not be profitable strategies.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by ggggtez on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:32PM
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I don't want to get caught up in arguing what is noise in the mathematical sense. I think the parent is refering to the fact that the arbitrage traders are not adding any real value by making these trades this fast. The market would adjust in miliseconds. Who really wants to let some guy who built a 825 mile cable be a rent seeker on every trade for all eternity? https://www.businessinsider.com/chicago-stock-exchange-respo...
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by wbl on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:38AM
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He's not a rent seeker. Absent his existence, the people on both sides of the trade would be harmed by crossing a bigger spread.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by vannevar on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:07PM
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Noise compared to the signal actually needed for a market to function. Markets functioned nicely on much, much longer timeframes in the past.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by infinite8s on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:51PM
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They also had much higher transaction and information costs.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by mlthoughts2018 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:04PM
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Is the human allowed to use pencil & paper when reasoning about the stock? A graphing calculator? A spreadsheet program? A numerical SDE solver?
By what rule do you propose limiting other people’s free choice to use computing resources to accelerate the time scale of reasoning about a price?
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by vannevar on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:13PM
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The "free choice" argument is a charade: the only people with the "freedom" (ie, wealth) to win that race are "people" like Goldman Sachs. On the whole, it's just another legal mechanism for pumping money from the poor to the wealthy. Modern markets could not exist without regulation, which by definition limits freedoms. We're just talking about a sensible regulation that eliminates a pointless misdirection of resources, not unlike laws against gambling.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by gpderetta on Friday August 02, 2019 @08:52AM
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A lot of HTF shops are comparatively tiny companies (in the order of hundreds or less employees). Large hedge funds and investment banks are relatively late players to the game.
Re:Goldman Sachs is spending $100M to shave milliseconds off...
by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday August 03, 2019 @08:10PM
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You didn’t address my comment at all. This just seems like some unfounded normative assertions about some other thing entirely.