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Re:Norweigan oil fund by cagenut on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:47AM (#20584146)
I can't stand this ideological sports-team type of commentary, so just to add some real information and context (after my downvote):

Venezuela produces ~70k barrels per person per day. Norway produces a little more than half as much total oil, but with one-sixth the population it works out to ~330k barrels per person per day. An order of magnitude per-capita difference.

Re:Norweigan oil fund by SteveGregory on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:32AM (#20584726)
First, a nitpick - your numbers should be per million people, not per person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ...

Second - the output itself depends on management, so I'm not sure it would be fair to compare current production numbers to show the potential help to the population. In fact - Venezuela has more proven reserves per-capita than Norway, by an incredible margin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oi...

Re:Norweigan oil fund by throwaway2019V on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:59AM (#20584303)
That's not an order of a magnitude.

Even then, so, Venezuela produces 1/5th per capita the oil of Norway. Why doesn't there exist a fund with $37k/person in Venezuela?

Re:Norweigan oil fund by throwaway8119 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:45AM (#20584844)
Norway had a per-capita GDP 10x that of Venezuela when they launched their fund. The option was a luxury that they were granted by already being a fairly wealthy country.

Also, consider if 25% of Norway's oil revenue is sufficient to provide a basic functioning government. Now you have Norway saving 75% of their oil revenue every year, and Venezuela still sucking 5% out of other funds, resulting in a long-term extremely wealthy Norway and a destitute Venezuela.

Re:Norweigan oil fund by chrisco255 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @12:28PM (#20585414)
Venezuela was the 4th highest GDP as recently as the 50s. It saw sharp declines in economic health after Chavez and Maduro.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by kwhitefoot on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:06AM (#20584403)
You could ask a similar question of the UK.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by conjectures on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:11AM (#20584466)
This is a question I ask.

The UK policy was, effectively, 'paaarty!'

Re:Norweigan oil fund by smcl on Thursday August 01, 2019 @12:54PM (#20585756)
Sad but true. One shining light in this dismal situation however is that Shetland managed to do something similar to Norway: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/g...
Re:Norweigan oil fund by sgt101 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:47AM (#20584865)
Well - capitalise trade in The City of London; without the oil it's pretty clear London wouldn't have developed the way it did.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by conjectures on Friday August 02, 2019 @05:06AM (#20591574)
Rather than the story of financial degregulation?

Sceptical.

Re:Norweigan oil fund by laurencerowe on Thursday August 01, 2019 @01:24PM (#20586127)
The UK has the same amount of oil spread across 12x as many people. Yes, the Tories wasted it but it could never have had the same impact on the whole UK that it had on Norway. Perhaps if Scotland had been independent (most of the UK's oil is in its waters) it would have been similar.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by kwhitefoot on Friday August 02, 2019 @02:17AM (#20590964)
Nonetheless it would have ha some positive impact, And, while I'm as anti Tory as anyone there does not appear to have been a lot of objection to the way the oil income was handled from other parties.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by notJim on Thursday August 01, 2019 @12:40PM (#20585577)
And North Dakota. The resource curse can happen anywhere.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by hdfbdtbcdg on Thursday August 01, 2019 @01:12PM (#20585990)
Venezuelan oil costs more per barrel to extract than Norwegian oil...
Re:Norweigan oil fund by dbatten on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:00AM (#20584308)
While your point about per-capita production is well-taken, I don't think the original comment was intending to score ideological points. It simply said the Venezuelan crisis was avoidable and happened due to mis-management, not that Chavismo is an inherently evil ideology...
Re:Norweigan oil fund by lr4444lr on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:17AM (#20584536)
Yes, thank you. I deliberately avoided attributing anything to ideology. At the end of the day, both countries are chiefly comparable in having nationalized their oil resources for the public benefit, at least de iure. Also Venezuela was actually doing quite well I believe in 2013 when prices were high. It was a singular failure of their stewards not to diversify the profits.
Re:Norweigan oil fund by namdnay on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:58AM (#20584278)
If Venezuela had a fund of 20k per citizen they would definitely not be in the same state as today...
Re:Norweigan oil fund by rolltiide on Thursday August 01, 2019 @12:03PM (#20585070)
You sure?

Venezuala's problem was just overleveraging

They basically got margin called on their long oil position, and then their political ideology became apparent