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Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't require a degree?

At the moment I'm just opening each ad in turn and scrolling to the point where they list requirements to look, but it's quite tedious and I feel like someone must have solved this problem already - either with a dedicated tool/site or with a magic search term that makes it easier to filter them out.

Edit: Extra detail I wasn't sure would be relevant - I am looking in the general London area. Have ~1 year professional experience as a frontend developer but would ideally like to transition to backend development if I can (have some hobby/side-project experience in other things and have programmed small projects for eightish years on and off).

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Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by onion2k on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:43AM (#20584107)
Ignore the requirements and apply anyway, especially if you're applying to smaller companies. If you're a good candidate they will break their own rules.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by Pete-Codes on Friday August 02, 2019 @07:30AM (#20592180)
I've found this as well. I used to never apply to jobs if I didn't meet every criteria and then I just realised, well what do I have to lose by applying?
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by jamesmus on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:48AM (#20584156)
Agreed - I guess that was what I was kind of trying to say in my comment.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by jamesmus on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:35AM (#20584014)
How much experience do you have? I have always assumed that when a job ad lists a CS degree as a requirement that there's an implicit 'or equivalent experience' clause that applies. I don't have a degree of any kind and I don't think I have ever been asked. Maybe it's different over here (in the UK), though.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by 666lumberjack on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:49AM (#20584169)
~1 year of experience. I am also in the UK fwiw, probably should have put that in the OP.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by jamesmus on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:01AM (#20584328)
I started out about 25 years ago and I suppose all I can do is to reiterate that nobody has ever asked if I have a degree. I don't really have a good handle on what the IT job market is like for people who are less experienced, TBH, so whether that information is actually useful or not I don't know. I still think it's worth applying anyway. I have worked in places where job ads have gone out for the same role I was already doing and after reading those ads I would have come to the conclusion that I was not qualified to apply. Basically my take is that people love to load those ads up so that they look impressive. When I interview what I want to know about a candidate is: are they smart and can they get stuff done? Anything else is secondary, really.

Location is probably a factor too. I am based near London and there are a lot of dev jobs around here. If you are regional then that may not be the case.

Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by gshdg on Saturday August 03, 2019 @08:19AM (#20600055)
Fwiw, degrees were rarer in the software candidate pool 25 years ago, and become increasingly irrelevant as your career progresses. Once you hit about 5 years of experience, the amount of attention anyone pays to it nosedives.

These days, getting those first five years is harder, though. Because of a combination of a glut of juniors on the market plus a culture where it’s increasingly common for employees to stay only a year or so, which makes it less worthwhile for a company to invest in training juniors.

Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:36AM (#20584757)
If you have ~1 year experience, and are currently working, I would recommend staying there another year, or even two. Hiring someone with no degree but 3 years of experience is a much less scary proposition for a company than hiring someone with no degree and 1 year. (Or so I think, but I am not a hiring manager.)
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by gshdg on Saturday August 03, 2019 @08:19AM (#20600056)
I am a hiring manager and I agree wholeheartedly.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by onion2k on Thursday August 01, 2019 @10:55AM (#20584248)
If you're in the north east of the UK and you know PHP drop me an email (address in my profile). I know a company that's recruiting.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by 666lumberjack on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:12AM (#20584476)
Midlands looking to relocate to London, unfortunately, but I appreciate the offer.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by potta_coffee on Thursday August 01, 2019 @11:32AM (#20584719)
I don't have a degree, most of the jobs I've had have required one. Usually if I'm strong in one or two of the requirements, I'll apply and hope for the best. It's really a numbers game anyway.
Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by Pete-Codes on Friday August 02, 2019 @07:29AM (#20592176)
Hey man, I'm working on a solution to this! It is annoying to go through a job description and the very last mine is 'Must Have CS Degree.'

You definitely don't need a degree these days. You can check out some folk that are doing great without one: https//www.nocsdegree.com

Re:Ask HN: Better approaches to finding dev jobs that don't ... by drakonka on Friday August 02, 2019 @08:10AM (#20592379)
Most tech jobs don't require a degree, even if they say they want one. I'd apply anyway if you think you can do the job.