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Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by amluto on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @09:35PM (#20580460)
> The sharing of credit worthiness information is the cornerstone of your ability to get credit. It's not a hidden extra, it's not something you can choose not to get, there's no "opt out". It's a condition of doing business with the credit grantor.

No, this is only true because the law does not meaningfully restrict abusive contracts. Sure, a credit card issuer should [0] be able to ask some agency for information on your credit risk. It does not follow at all that the issuer should have permission to give information back to the agency.

[0] Even this is debatable. One might reasonably argue that the use of inscrutable conditions for the issuance of credit cards is discriminatory and should, as a matter of public policy, be disallowed. As a simple example of how this could work, all credit card issuers could be required to instead issue prepaid cards with identical terms, benefits, and usage from a merchant’s perspective, and credit could be an opt-in extra feature.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by tbyehl on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @11:39PM (#20580900)
How would 'some agency' have anything to say about your credit risk if issuers of credit weren't feeding them information about your credit performance?

What's more bothersome to me is that these companies are scooping up every bit of information they can about me and selling it to anyone. Did I consent to TheWorkNumber? I definitely did not with the first few employers / payroll processors who have sold out my payroll data.

I Google my full name and the first hit is some background check site that shows my birthday, most of addresses I've had since the mid-90s, every family member I've shared an address with since 1999, information on two vehicles I presently own and one former, and that's just the bait to get someone to pay for whatever else they know about me...

'Credit' information is the tip of the iceberg.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by g051051 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @07:16AM (#20582811)
> my birthday, most of addresses I've had since the mid-90s, every family member I've shared an address with since 1999, information on two vehicles I presently own and one former,

Your existence in the world isn't a secret. Every scrap of that is public information. You have a postal address to get mail, you register your car with your state to pay taxes on it, etc.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by tbyehl on Thursday August 01, 2019 @06:01PM (#20588789)
Well, your point overlooks the points I was aiming for.

1. Any of those scraps of data have negligible value by themselves, but when they're aggregated and traded their value is vastly increased.

2. I don't have any choice in how those scraps of data were originally gathered and shared. Should I not to have an address? Pay my taxes? Register my vehicles?

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by g051051 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @07:22PM (#20589299)
1. Yes, that's true. The value increases, in that the more data that's available, the better the decisions that can be made.

2. So? Why should you have a choice in it? Those things are classified as public records, available to anyone.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by mLuby on Thursday August 01, 2019 @09:44AM (#20583614)
But it really doesn't need to be.

Maaaaaybe birth certificates should be public, but why should who owns what car be public? Or who lives at what address?

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by koolba on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @10:20PM (#20580642)
At the individual level nothing stops me from maintaining a list of people I think are trustworthy or noting prior acts for evidence of such.

There’s no opt-in required because you’re not the one providing anything. The customer of the credit agency, the company extending you credit, is opting in to share what they know about you.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by craftinator on Thursday August 01, 2019 @03:37PM (#20587462)
> At the individual level nothing stops me from maintaining a list of people I think are trustworthy or noting prior acts for evidence of such.

> There’s no opt-in required because you’re not the one providing anything. The customer of the credit agency, the company extending you credit, is opting in to share what they know about you.

Until you get too large, powerful, and rich, then the government regulates you. This is the purpose of regulation, to control the abusive use of power.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by g051051 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @09:47PM (#20580509)
> It does not follow at all that the issuer should have permission to give information back to the agency.

The agreements you sign when requesting and getting credit explicitly grant that right.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by pmiller2 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @11:50PM (#20580948)
Nothing is really “explicit” when it’s buried in pages of small print legalese. If everyone just read (forget understood, just read) everything they ever signed or agreed to thoroughly, life would slow down significantly.
Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by g051051 on Thursday August 01, 2019 @07:23AM (#20582845)
Take a look at a CC application and see where the information on going to a CRA is. I just went to a random online store and started a CC application. Down in the legal section, right in the first couple of sections, clearly visible:

"Credit Reports: You agree that we have a right to obtain a credit report in connection with our review of your application and after we establish an account, to administer the account. You agree that we may report to others our credit experience with you. At your request we will provide the name and address of each consumer-reporting agency from which we obtained a report about you."

Was it plastered across the very top of the form in bold type? No. Was it "buried in pages of small print legalese"? No.

Re:Equifax removed the $125 claim payout option after millio... by innocenat on Thursday August 01, 2019 @02:23AM (#20581412)
Many CC contracts I have signed (not US or EU banks) have explicit section and additional (mandatory) signature specifically for sharing data with credit reporting company.