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Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by asdfman123 on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:36PM (#20559696)
My right wing friend argues that Google straight up manipulated search results to harm Trump and I don't have any evidence to argue against him.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Epstein%20Tes...

I wouldn't be surprised if there's an anti-alt right bias (which frankly I don't feel so bad about because many of those folks are toxic).

Also, to be pedantic that's a misapplication of Occam's razor. The simplest explanation to explain nature is likely true. Nature likes simple laws. People and organizations, however, can be endlessly complex.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by zimpenfish on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @01:47AM (#20562393)
Although bear in mind here that Epstein has a long-standing beef with Google that may be introducing a bias here.

> In 2012, Epstein publicly disputed with Google Search over a security warning placed on links to his website. [...] Several weeks later, Epstein admitted his website had been hacked, but criticized Google for tarnishing his name and not helping him find the infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Epstein

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by caconym_ on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @09:37AM (#20564686)
Here is a thought experiment: there are two political parties vying for control over the government of a country. Ahead of an election, leaked documents are published on the internet describing a plan by one of these parties to tear down the institutions of democracy in that country and install themselves permanently as a dictatorial elite. This party's political enemies will be rounded up and killed on an ongoing basis by a militarized police force, women will be stripped of their rights and property and reduced to chattel, possession of subversive materials will be punishable by torture and death, and so on. This is all outlined in the document, which was written and reviewed by the leaders of that party. They've been caught red-handed!

The other party has its skeletons-in-closets, but no analog to the above-described document exists. So, people using popular search engines to research their options ahead of election day find this horrifying information about party A and nothing comparable for party B, and they end up voting for party B mostly on this basis.

So, those search engines, despite providing results that faithfully reflect reality without a priori bias toward either party, will (hopefully) greatly influence the outcome of the election. Is that bad? Should they have censored this document in results so that nobody comes away from a web search with different opinions than they had going in? Is finding the truth an unacceptable thing for "big tech" to facilitate?

It's like when politicians like Steve King complain that search results for their names make them look bad. To me, if you conduct yourself as a racist, bigoted lunatic on the public political stage, that's what a web search result about you should say. I recognize that statements like "racism is bad" are subjective value judgments, but that's rolled up in all of this too: if as a society we don't think racism and other bigotries are bad, then this sort of search result won't be seen as negative. So there's some admission here that Steve King and his ilk know their words and actions are viewed negatively by a large segment of the population and so they would like them to be suppressed. By not suppressing them, are major search engines exhibiting a bias?

No, not really. I don't think so.

P.S. The burden of proof falls on the purveyors of conspiracy theories, not the other way round.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by nfrbc on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:25PM (#20560546)
That's funny, because the only political video recommendations I get are right wing videos, despite actively avoiding them for years.

I guess when it comes to politics the Youtube algorithm just shows whatever the user doesn't want to see.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by p1necone on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:06PM (#20561164)
Youtubes PS4 UI "breaking news" section is exclusively videos about brexit/boris johnson (this was even before he became PM) for me despite me not living in the UK and having zero interest in the topic. It's weird.