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Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:05PM (#20559451)
No one was upset about a plug in not getting access to your browsing history. People were upset about the declarative ad blocking that took away some of the features that they ad blockers previously had and said Google was doing it to protect their business.

I’m not going to defend Google’s overall business practices, but from what I understand, it’s the same type of architecture that Apple has had for four years and no one said Apple’s intentions were nefarious.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by gildas on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:21PM (#20559594)
Some also claim that Google kills innovation. Synchronous interception of requests allows developers to program sophisticated rules to fight malicious resources. In the future, they will only have a regular expressions list to block domains. It will be much easier for malicious actors to bypass this feature.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by bradknowles on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:49PM (#20559821)
I want whitelist-only. No blacklists, unless that's something to be applied after the whitelisting step.

So, no -- Google's method is not sufficient.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by therealx on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:04PM (#20561468)
Sounds kinda like a firewall would server you better. Not that I don't think you should or shouldn't be able to have this feature.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:57PM (#20560350)
You really want an extension that limits your ability to access only a certain number of websites?
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by closeparen on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:23AM (#20562127)
It’d be interesting to have one sandbox that can synchronously intercept requests, and one sandbox that can make its own requests, but only a one way communication channel between them. So the interceptor part can have its own stateful logic and access the blacklist, but not exfiltrate your history.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:48PM (#20559819)
It also allows developers to intercept your entire browsing history. If you care about your privacy, why would you let a random third party intercept all of your browsing history?
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by gildas on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:05PM (#20559956)
I consider everything to be a matter of risk in terms for example of privacy. By installing an extension like uBlock, I am indeed taking the risk you mentioned. However, I consider that the risk will be much higher when installing an extension that is based only on a list of regular expressions for the reason I mentioned. If uBlock did a bad thing, I'll know very quickly and all I'll have to do is install an alternative extension.

I am also a developer. I would like to continue to have the right to code such extensions for myself.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:46PM (#20560258)
So how many consumers would know if uBlock did something bad? Should we optimize security for the minority or the majority?
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by hnaccy on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:14PM (#20560479)
Why is better to fix adblocking capabilities at model that is borderline insufficient now let alone in 10 years.

There is arms race and you want adblockers (good guys) to give up any improvements in perpetuity, that is a recipe for losing.

Me installing uBlock for parents has improved their browser experience and security. I'd rather risk uBlock being compromised and having to phone them to uninstall it than have them being at the mercy of adtech, spyware, and scammers companies in 5 years.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:45PM (#20560708)
How many incidents have we seen where the ad blockers are the bad guys? I don’t recall seeing any third party ads when browsing with Safari on iOS with 1Blocker that uses this architecture.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by lern_too_spel on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:36AM (#20562176)
Edge for Android has that model. While trying it, I frequently got stopped by adblocker blockers. Firefox for Android runs uBlock Origin and never has that problem.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by gildas on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:14PM (#20560475)
Google would remove uBlock from my PC before I even know it and I would notice it very quickly (unfortunately).

A personal computer has always been very complicated and using it has always been a risk in itself. I remember a time when a virus could damage the computer's hardware, and someone who knew how to program in BASIC (edit: or LOGO) was not considered as a "minority".

My point of view is that we need to make users aware of the risks and make them more responsible because things will not get any easier.

No need to optimize, I switched to Firefox, the browser for the minorities ;). I really liked Chrome though.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:43PM (#20560697)
My point of view is that we need to make users aware of the risks and make them more responsible because things will not get any easier.

How has that been working for the last 30 years? Why would it start now?

Computers have been mainstream consumer appliances since the “multimedia PCs” were a thing in the mid 90s. Most people no more want to program computers than they want to fix their own cars.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by bradknowles on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:47PM (#20559809)
With respect, Google is not Apple, and Apple is not Google.

I think a lot of people would say that Google is a pretty evil company in many respects, whereas Apple isn't exactly 100% saintly, but at least their profit and business goals align more closely with what is generally considered to be good for customers.

Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:11PM (#20560456)
I’m definitely an Apple customer - our cell phone plan has 6 devices and we have two AppleTVs. But playing devil’s advocate, Apple’s business model only allows a small percentage of upper income people globally to be able to afford their products. Android and Google have done a lot more to bring computing to the masses than Apple. The cheapest iPhone that you can buy is $475 over $200 more than the average selling price of an Android phone.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by saagarjha on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:38PM (#20560655)
iPhone 7 is $449 on Apple's website.
Re:Browser extensions are underrated: the promise of hackabl... by scarface74 on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:46PM (#20560722)
$26 less. That really makes it a lot more affordable compared to a $200 Moto G.