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Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by tpush on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:49PM (#20557288)
> - At least in the EU, more privacy is where the puck is going. They could take on Google's weaknesses.

Ironically, it's Europe where privacy championing Apple is way less of a player than Google when it comes to smartphones and services, especially compared to the US market.

So I'm not sure if a privacy conscious approach would buy them much in the EU, at least among consumers.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by fruffy on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:29PM (#20557745)
I was not able to find concrete sources but I think that has more to do with the expensive pricing of iPhones and Apple's former image as a somewhat invasive and consumerist company. I remember there being a decent amount of distrust against their vendor-lock-in techniques.

Overall, I would say consumers' privacy-sensitivity in Europe expresses itself largely in the increased usage of Telegram, Tor, Firefox, and Linux compared to the US.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by Y_Y on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:39PM (#20557852)
I don't know why you've put "former" in there. Lots of people have iphones in Europe, but everyone knows it's an expensive commitment, and if you use all the nice integrations and Apple services it's hard to extricate yourself.
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by vezycash on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:46PM (#20557933)
None of my friends stick with Telegram for long simply because of andorid's battery saver apps. Notifications simply wont show unless they open the telegram app.
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by gvurrdon on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @03:02AM (#20562673)
I don't use Telegram or Android at the moment and so can't be sure, but I wonder if this would help: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-remove-android-a...
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by Silhouette on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:35PM (#20559687)
Ironically, it's Europe where privacy championing Apple is way less of a player than Google when it comes to smartphones and services, especially compared to the US market.

That's partly because Apple's rhetoric is not always matched by the practical realities of its devices and services. Are they better than Google/Android? Sure, by a long way. Are they actually good? Different question.

For example, assume that you do not wish to transfer any data to or from your Apple device via any third party online system, including Apple's own iCloud, at least not unless it is fully end-to-end encrypted and there is no realistic possibility of the external system reading the data. Instead you prefer to keep everything local, for example connecting to another device over your local network or directly using one of the secure wireless mechanisms. This should be an entry-level requirement for any genuinely privacy-focussed system, yet to this day Apple's lock-in effects and the lack of end-to-end encryption for many types of data using iCloud are in direct conflict with achieving that most basic of privacy requirements.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by Spooky23 on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:40PM (#20561317)
Connectivity is completely optional on iOS. You can operate without iCloud and securely transfer files through a variety of methods.
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by Silhouette on Monday July 29, 2019 @11:38PM (#20561955)
What methods would those be, please? I know a lot of people who would be very interested in the specifics of how to import or export things like calendar entries, notes, contacts and the like.

Apple has only just introduced the ability to transfer everything from one iPhone to another directly. You still infamously can't transfer many common data sets onto or off those phones through standard protocols, and Apple's proprietary software seems to have a poor track record, again pushing users towards iCloud.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by reaperducer on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:24AM (#20562128)
Since local was in your requirements, just plug your phone in to you computer and drag the data files out of the apps with iTunes. There's a whole interface for doing just this.

If the particular app you have in mind doesn't support that feature (most of the ones I use do), that's not Apple's fault.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by Silhouette on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @02:43AM (#20562596)
iTunes does not always work reliably, from direct personal experience.

And the fact that Apple's entire system uses a proprietary storage scheme and doesn't support standard protocols other than for a few specific cases like photos clearly is a decision that Apple has deliberately made.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by reaperducer on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @11:00AM (#20565399)
iTunes does not always work reliably, from direct personal experience.

IME, wirelessly iTunes can be flaky, though better than in the past. My direct personal experience is that if you use a wire, as stated, it's flawless.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by hutattedonmyarm on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @02:30AM (#20562542)
iMessage is pretty useless in Europe, because alternatives like WhatsApp, Telegram, Viber, etc are pretty widespread. Aditionally a lot of Apple's new stuff is wither US exclusive or US first . Apple Pay is very new in a lot of countries and barely any banks support it (mainly because credit cards aren't as widely used I guess). Lots of Apple Maps features are only available in big cities, Apple stores are a lot farther apart over here. Asking Siri in German to play a song with an English name hardly ever works. Don't forget that US prices are without tax while their prices in Europe usually include VAT, so the devices seem a lot more expensive too
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by tinus_hn on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @06:15PM (#20569749)
iMessage is useless because it’s just sms over internet but then it only works if the other person has an iPhone. It works fine but everyone uses WhatsApp because that works on all phones and you just can’t rely on everyone using an iPhone. There’s just not enough added value to justify that limitation.

Originally iMessage was supposed to be opened up for third parties but that never happened for some reason.

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by mxscho on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:34PM (#20557798)
Because they sell their devices for US-based prices to people with EU-based income.
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by StreamBright on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:20PM (#20557644)
Mostly due to 1 EUR = 1 USD pricing and other problems. Europe is a tier2 market for Apple.
Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by gruez on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:36PM (#20557814)
>1 EUR = 1 USD pricing

Isn't that mostly explained by the fact that EUR prices have VAT included (typically 20%) and US prices do not?

Re:Report on Microsoft Office and Windows software: still pr... by StreamBright on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @03:26AM (#20562770)
I don't think so.