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Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by warent on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:48PM (#20557285)
This is a little too cynical for my taste. Google isn't exactly a monument of ethical business, but I seriously doubt that Google would intentionally demonetize videos for the purpose of stealing from content creators.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by senorjazz on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:29PM (#20557748)
Often used to hear the same accusations when adsense was a bigger thing. Accounts with expected big payouts would always get banned a few days before payout. They would accept all traffic you send them for the month, then just before paying out, banned.

Perhaps a coincidence sure, but when accusations keep getting made about underhanded tactics, maybe there is somethig there

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Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by drusepth on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:36PM (#20557816)
We're seeing a lot of sentiment similar to this on Quora as well, now that they pay question askers. This is the first time I've been on "the other side" and see what's actually going on, rather than just seeing blog posts about "I made $X and got banned a day before payout!"

At least in Quora's case, almost everyone making thousands and getting banned right before a payout are gaming/scamming the system to make those thousands, and just play the "right before I got paid!" card whenever they get caught because, well, there _was_ another payday coming... even though they should have been demonetized a long time prior.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by bduerst on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:02PM (#20558743)
Except demonetized channel videos don't show ads.

This whole conspiracy falls flat when Google doesn't generate revenue off of demonetized video ads.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by jessaustin on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:22PM (#20558977)
The hypothesis is that the channel was only demonetized after a long period during which it generated ad revenue. Flipping the demonetization switch doesn't make that revenue disappear. Rather, that causes the revenue to stay in Google's pocket instead of being distributed to the channel owner.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by bduerst on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:07PM (#20559466)
The channel still gets the previous revenue leading up to the demonitization switch, so no, Google doesn't gain anything. In fact, they lose because they're now hosting videos that no longer generate revenue.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by amfsn on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:59PM (#20558088)
That happened to me too. Min payment was 120€ or so, and when I had amassed that amount (it took me like one year), bam, banned a few days before I could cash out. Obviously on purpose. That was ten years ago or so I think.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by stcredzero on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:13PM (#20557568)
Google isn't exactly a monument of ethical business, but I seriously doubt that Google would intentionally demonetize videos for the purpose of stealing from content creators.

Whether it's intentional or accidental, it's readily apparent that their incentive structure doesn't motivate them a bit to correct the situation. Also, this mechanism makes it very easy for lower level employees with a political axe to grind, to punish viewpoints they don't like.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by hinkley on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:18PM (#20558922)
Why is it 'too cynical'? It's metric dysfunction. A division of the company is getting results with a cost that is way below what it should be. Nobody in management wants to know how the sausage is made. It would tank their revenue reports for the next quarter.

It takes leadership that most companies no longer possess to avoid situations like this, and Wall Street enforces this behavior (see also, B Corporations).

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by TAForObvReasons on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:49PM (#20557977)
The AdSense settlement (http://www.adsensepublishersettlement.com/) was quite literally that exact pattern: Google would do a review once you cleared the $100 threshold for a payout and conveniently block you, but there was no evidence that the ad customers were being refunded
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by fareesh on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:33PM (#20559126)
Are any of these business models transparent? I think a lot of it runs on pure faith.

If I spend $10,000 on an ad, is there a way to prove that I got $10,000 worth of advertising and not $8,000?

If I am a content creator and my content generated $500 in total revenue of which I have a share, is there a way to prove that it generated $500 and not $1,000?

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by sumedh on Monday July 29, 2019 @08:37PM (#20561011)
> I seriously doubt that Google would intentionally demonetize videos

Upper Management will never say that directly but when they keep saying we need higher revenue and lowers costs, the people working under them find ways to achieve the targets and get their bonus.

Check Wells Fargo fake accounts story.

Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by la_barba on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:23PM (#20557674)
Yes, whats more likely is that one of the countless bean counters at Google saw the long-tail revenue pie chart/breakdown and thought to themselves "Hmm! Would you look at that!" and just decided to not upset the apple cart..
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by xvector on Monday July 29, 2019 @03:10PM (#20558235)
Decisions like these aren't mistakes.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by tastygreenapple on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:38PM (#20557841)
Well, let's look at Google's ethics here - they still run ads on demonetized videos, right? So Google is okay making money off that, they just don't want the creator to make money off demonetized videos.
Re:YouTube faces creator backlash by aiiane on Monday July 29, 2019 @03:41PM (#20558558)
No, they don't. Fully demonetized videos don't run ads because that's the entire point of demonetization - that the video was deemed unsuitable for showing ads (because ad buyers don't want their ads showing next to certain content).

Partially demonetized videos may show ads, but from a reduced set of advertisers - those videos will make money but possibly not as much due to less desire for the ad space on that content.