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Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by concinds on Monday July 29, 2019 @12:48PM (#20556591)
> IQ tests turned out to be pretty useful when investigating the effects of Lead in paint/gas/industry/other. See Herbert Needleman's research from the early 80's.

Taleb argues precisely that IQ is only a good measure of unintelligence, not intelligence, and that this prevent IQ from being meaningful. He showed that if you IQ test 10K people, 2K are dead (0 IQ) and then test their performance on something, you'll still end up with correlations that'll get you published in prestigious journals, and peddle nonsense conclusions. https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1115193783145123840

(the point being that in that scenario, 0 IQ perfectly correlated with 0 performance, can make the population correlation look significant even when "alive" IQ is completely uncorrelated with performance, which, in that example, it is)

Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by fvdessen on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:22PM (#20557003)
The problem with Taleb's argument is that, as the linked article shows, IQ tests are as good measure of intelligence as of unintelligence. There is no inflection point after which IQ stops correlating with wealth. The slope is constant across all scales.

Taleb's argumentation relies on fictional scenarios whose conclusion do not match what he would have gotten looking at raw data instead.

Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by martin_bech on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:36PM (#20557154)
Thats also what I got from it. It would be very wierd if IQ correlated very well below the median, and then just stoped..
Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by papln on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:48PM (#20557282)
It's not weird at all.

Caloric intake in children correlates to height very well below the median(+), and then it stops. You can't grow arbitarily tall by eating more food, but if you underfeed a child enough, it will end up shorter than its more-fed siblings.

In case you need some justificaiton for this intuitive claim, here's some tangential data: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-of-human...

" In contrast, in developing countries, nutrition deficits lead to a lower heritability. The fact that the mean height of the U.S. population has almost plateaued in the past decade suggests that the nutrient environment has almost maximized the genetic potential of height, at least in this country. Improved nutrition elsewhere may have similar benefits in terms of stature."

(+) I use median here to mean some unspeicified percentile, as you did.

Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by concinds on Monday July 29, 2019 @02:02PM (#20557428)
No, it wouldn't. I can hit you on the head with a hammer, and you'll function poorly in every conceivable performance test (low dimensionality), but success is high-dimensional.

Here is a good explanation: https://twitter.com/sean_a_mcclure/status/115548736901923225...

Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by runarberg on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:45PM (#20557242)
If you want to measure wealth it would be easier to ask their income.

But you brought up the same point as the parent. 0 IQ correlates perfectly with death. Really low IQs correlate perfectly with mental disabilities. High IQs correlate (almost) perfectly with socio-economic status.

Re:Taleb is wrong about IQ by nshepperd on Monday July 29, 2019 @01:46PM (#20557254)
That's not at all how the effect of Lead exposure works. The research has found that Lead exposure causes a consistent loss of IQ points, with no evidence that the effect is limited to the low end of the IQ scale. Naturally, none of the analyses which determined this included the IQs of dead subjects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8162884 https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.7688