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Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by mytailorisrich on Monday July 29, 2019 @03:54AM (#20552384)
Flying has been seized upon by various groups because it is an easy target and can also be blamed on this awful thing called capitalism (gasp!).

But the reality is that there many, many things to do that are more effective before even starting to look at aviation.

I don't understand the point of calling for "civil disobedience" (which is usually an euphemism for blocking roads and airports, and alienating public opinion in the process). What does it achieve? If you want to use your individual power do it constructively by changing your everyday routine and behaviour.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by adrianN on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:44AM (#20552642)
A transatlantic flight produces about as much carbon dioxide as a typical European produces in a year. Not flying is a very effective thing you can do personally. Globally flying is not that important because almost nobody can afford it.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by mytailorisrich on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:57AM (#20552691)
> A transatlantic flight produces about as much carbon dioxide as a typical European produces in a year

Yes, that's the usual 'argument' except that this does not even seem to be true (return flight from London to New York seems to emit about 1t per passenger when a typical Brit otherwise contributes 7+t, so that's 1/14th of personal annual emissions per flight).

In any case, not everyone flies over the Atlantic every year, so that overall and in the grand scheme of things aviation should not be held as a priority.

Focusing on aviation is a distraction.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by nkurz on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:05AM (#20554169)
I don't contest your overall point, but this calculator suggests that the actual CO2 contribution by an economy class round trip flight from NYC to London is twice that amount (2.1 tons): https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=22461...
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by mytailorisrich on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:43AM (#20554494)
Thanks, I must have confused single and return trip.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by adrianN on Monday July 29, 2019 @05:15AM (#20552757)
I agree that we shouldn't focus on behavioral changes when the important part is an unprecedented buildout of renewable energy and improvements in building insulation and transport efficiency. I still think that choosing not to fly is one of the easiest things one can do as a westerner that has a reasonably big impact.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by wccrawford on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:53AM (#20555201)
They're saying that the flight produces that much, period. Not per person on the flight.

While I do think it's mentioned more than it should be, it can't be denied that it's a major factor.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Nasrudith on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:25AM (#20554909)
Shouldn't flights be divided by people for an apples to apples comparison? Passenger mile per gallon is the relevant part.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Bombthecat on Monday July 29, 2019 @03:56AM (#20552396)
But, at the end, it doesn't reduce quality of live if you stop visiting Thailand. You could go somewhere "closer".

It is not as hard as: just stop driving with your car to work! Hmmkay?!

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by mytailorisrich on Monday July 29, 2019 @04:01AM (#20552419)
Maybe it does not reduce quality of life, but this is a moot point.

The issue is that it focuses on something that is not a priority and it is so largely on ideologically grounds.

Your second sentence is actually highlighting a real aspect of the issue: Many people prefer to do something easy rather than something effective.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by esotericn on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:10AM (#20554214)
We need to do it _all_. Not one thing. All of it.

We have been systematically strip mining the planet for decades. We need to take a step back and calm down.

If you're banging through your credit card, you knock it all out. You start from the bottom up, not the top down. You look at what you absolutely need and slowly add things back in.

We've hit the credit limit on our ecosystem.