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Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:42PM (#20536623)
Obviously no, the math doesn't prevent them from shooting your dog and carting you away to a jail cell but your assumptions about enforcement are naive.

The typical MO for tax evasion is to just not report your side gig (crypto or otherwise), hope you don't get caught and play dumb and pay up if you do get caught. This doesn't change whether it's crypto or doing under the table work which is the point I'm trying to make here. You either pay up front the right way or have a chance of not paying at all (tax evasion) but if you get caught doing that you pay slightly more for not paying up front. Anyone who is being charged with tax evasion is doing something very stupid.

It should be obvious but the people who've revived these letter should play dumb (if applicable) and pay up at this point since clearly the IRS knows that they owe more than they've paid.

Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by arcticbull on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:51PM (#20536735)
It's hard to prove intent after you receive a letter from the IRS telling you to do something then you don't?

The nice thing about the IRS is that intent is pretty irrelevant. You make money, you don't pay taxes, your wages get garnished and your bank accounts seized for taxes, fees, penalties and interest. There's no messing around with the IRS, intent not required. If they can show intent you go to prison.

[edit] The difference with under the table work is that you get cash, then you spend the cash and not a record was made, then you've got the IRS forensic accountants on your ass if you do it too much. With crypto if you want to get your purchasing power back you pretty much have to go through a fiat gateway, every transaction there is logged, and likely reported.

Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by mrbonner on Friday July 26, 2019 @02:01PM (#20536844)
I am not sure if you're obligated to pay US federal income tax or not (either non-US resident/citizen living in the USA or US's resident/citizen in expat). If the IRS sends a formal letter to you, their intention is pretty clear that they found something wrong with your tax situation. I have had a couple of official letters from them for the last 4 - 5 years. Some of which I owed them money and I had to either pay (with penalty) or if allowed, file a amendment soon after. For others, they said I had errors in my filing and they gladly return a few dollars for me.

The first time I had to deal with them, I was surprised that the IRS is very professional, patient and courteous to me! I believe if they assume you're not trying to cheat taxes, they will help you to solve your case.

Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by arcticbull on Friday July 26, 2019 @02:04PM (#20536870)
They've even got flexible payment options ^_^ some of which are mandatory.
Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by mrbonner on Friday July 26, 2019 @02:07PM (#20536902)
It make sense in cases where people get rich overnight (vested options, bitcoin gains or what nots) and they already spent a huge chunk of that income without setting aside for tax. If that is the case, they will soon realize they need a sizable portion of that overnight gain to pay tax soon.
Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by avocado4 on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:48PM (#20536684)
Failing to report income is federal crime. It's not more complicated than that.
Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:49PM (#20536703)
How does that change anything about what I said? The people intentionally not paying taxes know full well that it's a crime.
Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by Kalium on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:51PM (#20536733)
The IRS doesn't need to show intent to show you failed to pay substantial taxes you owe.
Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:56PM (#20536799)
Unless you're a crypomillionare with little other income (most of whom are probably smart enough not to risk it) the paying up part shouldn't be too hard.

I can't stress how common this is with cash only side gigs. People hope they don't get caught and if they get caught they play dumb and agree to pay X per month to settle the bill.

They need to show intent or get you to lie to them if they want to put you in prison (which they don't because they want your money instead).

Re:IRS sends warning letters to more than 10k cryptocurrency... by zcrackerz on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:52PM (#20536746)
Intent or playing dumb maybe only matters as a defense against tax evasion charges, but everyone is liable to pay taxes and associated penalties for late/non-payment, even on an under the table side gig.