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Re:DoorDash’s about-face on tipping shows customers have mor... by slg on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:22PM (#20528565)
>if their new system still has something like the "call option" to guarantee minimums it still seems like it's in everyone's best interest to not tip and get DoorDash paying as much as possible.

DoorDash being scammy doesn't give the customer permission to ignore a social norm. The customer should still tip, just do it in cash outside of the app. It is a little less convenient, but it is better to be inconvenienced than to be an asshole.

Re:DoorDash’s about-face on tipping shows customers have mor... by Spivak on Thursday July 25, 2019 @04:11PM (#20529088)
Sure it does! Let's go back to DD's old system where people are blissfully unaware that tips go straight to DD's bottom line and none of the money goes to your driver.

All you see as a Dasher is that there is a new delivery for a 'guaranteed minimum' of $10 which in this world means that you will almost never receive anything other than $10. You take the job, deliver the food, and find out after that $3 of that was tip. You take another $10 job and find out that $0 of that was tip.

In this world there is zero expectation of a tip because almost no one tips outside the app and in-app tips are worthless. The reason tipping is expected is because ...it's expected. You're an asshole at a restaurant if you don't tip because ~15% is the baseline, in DD's world the baseline is 0%.

I'm not exactly sure why you're trying to guilt yourself into paying more for the exact same service to a person that is not expecting anything extra. You're doing the equivalent of tipping the cashier at the grocery store.

Re:DoorDash’s about-face on tipping shows customers have mor... by slg on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:09PM (#20529734)
You are basing your argument around just doing the minimum. Lots of people want to tip more than whatever you, society, or DoorDash decides it the minimum. Beyond simply being misleading, DoorDash's old model made it extremely difficult for anyone to reward their delivery person with an above average tip.
Re:DoorDash’s about-face on tipping shows customers have mor... by hombre_fatal on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:28PM (#20528621)
Reminds me of the KenM comment where he gets back at Papa Johns' by not tipping the delivery driver.

https://i.redd.it/jrusids6bggy.png

> I'm not giving my tip dollers to a company that doesn't support working people

Re:DoorDash’s about-face on tipping shows customers have mor... by lightedman on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:47PM (#20528828)
In many places Papa John's gets away with illegally taking tips away from delivery drivers. KenM is actually smart because by not tipping he forces PJ's to make up the missing wage if the driver doesn't hit minimum wage.

Oh! But PJ's screws that over by trying to call the employee an independent contractor. Oh yea, they try the same crap as Uber and Lyft and the other rideshare and delivery companies. In fact, they're practically the modern pioneers of the new 'independent contractor' scam. these 'tech companies' are just copying what the pizza industry has been doing for ages.