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Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by 40acres on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:53PM (#20527683)
A local groundwater management agency in Ventura County, CA recently started a pilot program that established a groundwater market among farmers in the county.

Following the early 2010s drought in California, laws were enacted to cap and eventually reduce the amount of groundwater that can be extracted. Recent advancements in water usage tracking infrastructure, combined with the law has led to a natural environment to create a cap and trade system.

Interestingly, farmers view water usage as a trade secret, and so the pilot marketplace is using block-chain to provide an anonymous marketplace. Groundwater management in California (and I assume across the nation) is regulated by a patchwork of different local government agencies and laws, but there is an awesome opportunity to provide a unified software based marketplace to establish a groundwater commodity market.

A market also facilities conservation as farmers now have incentive to lower their water usage and sell excess water on the market. A big challenge however is transportation of water across vast distances.

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by scribu on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:42PM (#20528164)
> Interestingly, farmers view water usage as a trade secret

I wonder why. Do slight changes in irrigation patterns have a significant effect on crops?

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by TheHegemon on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:44PM (#20528193)
Definitely! If someone is able to figure out how to use less water to grow the same amount of crops they could totally outcompete and undercut other producers.

There's an interesting Planet Money episode about it: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/12/732147345/the-water-marketpla...

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by lightedman on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:30PM (#20528643)
>If someone is able to figure out how to use less water to grow the same amount of crops

We've already had that for years. Farmers don't want to make the structural investments required to get there. Water for farming needs to become prohibitively expensive for them to even consider moving away from their wasteful large fields. Tax the hell out of the land, too.

What takes an acre of land and 100,000 gallons of water (a crop of wheat grass) can be done in a building 1/8 of an acre, 90% lower water requirements if not more, and produce 6x more than what the open plot of land does, on a yearly basis, on average.

I did and proved that almost a decade ago. Looks like nobody still wants to listen.

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by mentat on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:04PM (#20528375)
Water usage combined with weather information likely gives competitive advantage is futures markets.
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by jedberg on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:22PM (#20528559)
I'm sure it could but why would the farmers care about the futures market, unless they are using futures to hedge against their own crops?
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by gumby on Thursday July 25, 2019 @04:20PM (#20529194)
That's exactly what the commodity futures markets are for. There's a reason why the big commodity trading floor was in Chicago (it's essentially all electronic now of course).
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by jedberg on Thursday July 25, 2019 @04:39PM (#20529438)
But wouldn't they want the futures market to have perfect information? So that the futures could be priced exactly right, which would mean the lowest possible price that counterbalances a down market perfectly?

I assume the farmers aren't trying to make money from the futures, they're just trying to not lose money. Their profits come from actually growing food. The futures are just there in case something bad happens. Right?

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by lordCarbonFiber on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:58PM (#20530203)
I'd venture farmers make half or more more of their money on futures markets. Argi-business is a global market and optimal prices for your commodities don't necessarily conform to your local conditions/crops/etc.

I can't speak for all farmers, but my family owns a farm and the futures market is huge in it generating money.

You can use the futures markets to hedge against bad crop yields, lock in profits for accounting and cash flow purposes, inform what crops you are going to grow. It's immensely valuable.

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by nootka on Friday July 26, 2019 @07:15AM (#20533893)
Do you know of any good articles on this. I.E. futures for the small family-run farm?
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by lordCarbonFiber on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:53AM (#20534789)
There's magazines like this one (https://www.agweb.com/farmjournal); however it sounds like we'd have different ideas of small though. Outside of direct to consumer farmers market type opperations, "small" farms in the US are still measured in thousands of acres (just, 4 figures instead of 6).

The meta markets in how and when you sell crops (pre sale on the futures market vs sale at harvest, vs store and wait for commodities prices to be ideal) is, honestly fascinating and so different from the image of the "farmer" in popular culture.

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by nootka on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:54PM (#20560776)
That's still useful, thanks!
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by heavenlyblue on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:41PM (#20528158)
What does it use _“block-chain”_ for?
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by mikepurvis on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:45PM (#20528813)
Anonymity, presumably. That said, you'd think there would be no reason that whatever real-world authority is ensuring no one extracts more than their purchased credits allow would already have all the secret information and could just be the clearing house for the transactions.
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by heavenlyblue on Thursday July 25, 2019 @04:27PM (#20529294)
Truly, one would think you’d still need an authority to connect the water supply usage to the blockchain per se.
Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by blaser-waffle on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:44AM (#20534719)
Farmers are on large plots, and there is only so much watertable. Why do they need to be anonymous?

Sounds like more blockchain hype + the hidden potential for Nestle or whoever to buy up all the water rights discretely. Utilities should not be anonymous.

Re:In the US, wells being drilled ever deeper as groundwater... by streb-lo on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:43PM (#20528776)
hype