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Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by letstrynvm on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:29AM (#20468418)
> prompting outrage when there isn't a good reason for it.

Can you expand on why there's 'no good reason for it'?

The equivalent is my peering in your window to see and note down what you rub one out to... every time. And you don't know what I do with that information or where it will leak to.

That sounds perfectly fine to you, does it?

Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by aeroxis on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:48AM (#20468492)
It is actually not like you peering through his window to see and note down what you rib one out.

It's more like when I have a massive orgy with lots of drugs at my place and I invited a bouncer, who is really good at statistics, to keep track of who is coming in and who are leaving immediately. The bouncer is also keeping track of what each person is doing, and letting me know periodically. And you both are invited for a night of drug fueled insane sex.

From my perspective, I am doing this to make sure everyone is having fun at my party. From the bouncer's perspective, he is there just to collect stats and let me know. He is not there to invade my privacy. I want to do that. I hired the bouncer.

I think that is more is an accurate description.

Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:54AM (#20468517)
The story is only outrage-inducing because you hired a well-known bouncer whose dayjob - of which everyone is aware - is being a security guard at a mall, observing everyone as they do their groceries and banking.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by babyloneleven on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:56AM (#20468519)
You are the site owner. The bouncer works for you.

Your users didn't hire the bouncer and don't want to be tracked. Secretly, the bouncer may use this data for nefarious purposes. You can't control how the bouncer will use the data.

Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by mojuba on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:10AM (#20468915)
Exactly, especially if the bouncer comes to work for you for free. Which is what Google and Facebook analytics platforms do: they are free because they benefit from the collected information in ways beyond your control.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by ysavir on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:40AM (#20469124)
What you forgot to mention was that the bouncer does this for free and has a day job publishing tabloids.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by dhimes on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:53AM (#20469215)
And none of the other orgy participants understand this. And OP may not fully understand it either.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by everdrive on Thursday July 18, 2019 @09:57AM (#20469798)
There's nothing I enjoy more than a bunch of nerds analyzing a metaphor to death.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by nemosaltat on Thursday July 18, 2019 @09:43AM (#20469661)
My dads mantra used to be, “if it seems too good to be true, it probably is”. Now, I find I must consistently remind him- if it’s “free” (as in beer, not speech) you’re almost definitely paying for it.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 18, 2019 @02:50PM (#20472855)
Related, when consuming news, if the story seems to involve ridiculous levels of stupidity or malice, the truth is most likely much more mundane and much more reasonable.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by letstrynvm on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:09AM (#20468565)
That's the site's perspective.

The outrage is from the user's perspective. It's no different from being peeped on.

Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by mirimir on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:32AM (#20468687)
Sure. But unless you go balls to the wall about it, you're always being "peeped on" when you're online.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by jhiesey on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:05AM (#20468893)
I think that's the broader problem that the article is trying to get at. Pornography is just an example that makes it clearer to people that they should care about it.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by aviraldg on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:42AM (#20468469)
No, the equivalent is you walking into a store to buy DVDs, and the store manager keeping a record of what sells well, and what you show interest in, etc. to drive decisions about what to stock next.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by pjc50 on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:57AM (#20468523)
Interestingly this example led to one of America's few, narrowly-focused privacy laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Privacy_Protection_Act

> It makes any "video tape service provider" that discloses rental [or sale] information outside the ordinary course of business liable for up to $2500 in actual damages.

Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by vageli on Thursday July 18, 2019 @10:02AM (#20469844)
It's crazy, we understand that libraries should be barred from handing over our book checkout histories but somehow we allow corporations to do that and much more.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by martingoodson on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:47AM (#20468488)
... and then cross-referencing your purchase with everything else you ever purchased. And also every article you ever read. And then selling that information to others.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by dsr_ on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:54AM (#20468515)
... and claiming it's not a privacy violation because they don't let the others search for martingoodson, they just offer selection criteria including your age, gender, geographical location, inferred income, inferred religion, inferred skin color, and of course interests.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by RandomInteger4 on Thursday July 18, 2019 @11:54AM (#20471100)
Can you show me an example of where and how Google or Facebook "sells your information?" i.e. allows others to view that information?
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by Carstairs on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:54AM (#20468516)
That analogy only works if its only the store manager keeping the records. Whats really happening is the store manager is outsouring his record keeping to a 3rd party who has full access to the data from his store and data from millions of other stores too.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by andromeduck on Thursday July 18, 2019 @01:55PM (#20472314)
You mean like any big chain or conglomerate or Visa/MasterCard? Consulting/analytics isn't anything new for retail either.
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by letstrynvm on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:07AM (#20468560)
- the user didn't leave his home - he has an 'expectation of privacy' because the tracking is covert - he can't go to a different 'store'... the same covert tracking is in all of them pooling the information
Re:Pornography sites found to be riddled with trackers from ... by Yizahi on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:44AM (#20469154)
No, the equivalent is you walking into a store to buy DVDs, and the store manager of a nearby store keeping a record of what sells well, and what you show interest in, etc. to drive decisions about what to stock next.