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Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by jeromegv on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @01:52PM (#20452310)
Apple have shown times and times again that they wouldn't let 3rd party do shady things into their own Maps app, that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps. That's a baseless accusation.
Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by metildaa on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:04PM (#20452399)
Apple has taken good stances on most privacy issues, but Apple Maps is poorly run.

The main failure is not having something akin to a Google Scout, whereby iOS users could submit info about businesses and streets that lack data. Apple instead hires a ton of contractors in Austin (and now India) to manually trace roads and guess business hours based on anonymized GPS traces.

Apple lacks the scale of Google's army of unpaid Google Scouts (though they could easily fix this) and is wasting time on minutia rather than task their staff/contractors with sourcing & importing higher quality data regularly. One example would be importing county shapefiles, Apple could easily vault ahead of Google Maps if they diffed their map against each of the thousands of county maps in the USA, and they would be the only one regularly doing this (OSM does this occasionally, but not often).

They could also scrape business data from each state and use that to produce more accurate & detailed business listings than Google, among many other low hanging fruit.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by dangus on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:47PM (#20452782)
This is not 100% true, if you go to an existing business listing and scroll to the bottom there's a "report an issue" option. Apple has fixed my reported issues within a few days in the past.

In another sense I'm not sure why it should matter to the end user how many interns Apple hires to do things behind the scenes. I'm imagining that Apple is well aware of these shortcomings. Not only that I wonder if operational information observations like this quickly become outdated. i.e. it's all manual and terrible until somebody gets around to automating it.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by metildaa on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @04:54PM (#20453795)
These user reports take weeks to months to get triaged, making many rather useless.
Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by Spooky23 on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @05:43PM (#20454173)
They all have that problem.

My son's school is in a kafka-ish situation with Google where their listing is wrong and cannot be changed. People cannot write reviews, and data doesn't get updated.

98/100 times, updates to Apple or Google mapping products are done in hours or days. The 2/100, forget it.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by metildaa on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @07:13PM (#20454791)
Apple Maps has a deep queue for reports about map inaccuracies, your minimum wait time is a few days 98 times out of 100. This is fixable, but it requires even more staffing than Apple already has working on Apple Maps (which is most of the people they employ in Austin and India).
Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @05:18PM (#20454004)
>> Apple has fixed my reported issues within a few days in the past.

> These user reports take weeks to months to get triaged, making many rather useless.

My experience is closer to the "a few days" as well; they were faster than the one time I remember reporting something to Google Maps. YMMV and all that, but.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by Mindwipe on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:48AM (#20457389)
I reported an issue during the iOS 5 launch that never got fixed.

Apple's data is flat out junk in London. Garbage.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by jdminhbg on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:11PM (#20452464)
> The main failure is not having something akin to a Google Scout, whereby iOS users could submit info about businesses and streets that lack data.

They weren't able to do this while they were still reliant on third-party data, because the contracts required them to submit those changes to the third-party providers first and then once they were accepted, get them in downstream updates. This is one of the main reasons they invested in building out their own data; they'll be able to accept user-sourced fixes much more quickly.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by __jal on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:48PM (#20453254)
On the other hand, Google has a growing problem with map spam precisely because they accept user submissions.

Choose your poison.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by givinguflac on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:40PM (#20452724)
There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps, I used to do it all the time. The best (?) part is they’ll notify you on your device when the issue is fixed, typically in a day or two. Nowadays the only time I’ve submitted a fix is in a really small town no one goes to.
Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by inferiorhuman on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @02:56PM (#20452863)
There’s an easy way for users to submit feedback/fixes to Apple maps

Which is? If I say "Hey Siri, how do I report an error with your navigation?" I get search results for how to report problems with Google Maps. And I definitely don't see any UI widgets that suggest that they're for reporting problems.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by dizzydot on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:08PM (#20452961)
Click the information button "i" and then "Report an Issue".
Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by inferiorhuman on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:15PM (#20453008)
Click the information button "i" and then "Report an Issue".

There is no "i" button from the navigation screen and there's no "i" button from the search results either if you want to report entirely irrelevant results.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by ilikehurdles on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:56PM (#20453322)
> There is no "i" button from the navigation screen

This is likely an intentional design decision, and it sounds like a common-sense safety feature.

> there's no "i" button from the search results either if you want to report entirely irrelevant results.

You can hit the (i) after you make the problematic search.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by inferiorhuman on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:29AM (#20456459)
This is likely an intentional design decision, and it sounds like a common-sense safety feature.

Great feature for walking and public transit directions. They still have interactive bits for the driving directions — I can't imagine what sort of "common sense" simply hides the report a problem thing until you dig through a few levels of mediocre UI.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by inferiorhuman on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @01:55PM (#20452332)
Apple have shown times and times again that they wouldn't let 3rd party do shady things into their own Maps app, that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps. That's a baseless accusation.

You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com).

Edit: Also this:

https://www.courthousenews.com/data-mining-privacy-suit-agai...

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by duskwuff on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:07PM (#20452953)
> You're right, if you click around in the Maps app (desktop or mobile) it takes you straight to the shady source (yelp.com).

Apple Maps doesn't use Yelp as a primary data source. It's used to add extra information (like reviews and photos) to existing points of interest, but the points of interest themselves are catalogued by Apple or their data providers. If you click around in Apple Maps a bit, you'll find that not all POIs have Yelp data.

> Edit: Also this: [a lawsuit about social features in the Yelp app]

I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by inferiorhuman on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @03:12PM (#20452987)
I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Apple Maps steers you pretty hard towards the Yelp app if you want any business info.

Re:DuckDuckGo Expands Use of Apple Maps by jamessb on Thursday July 18, 2019 @08:39AM (#20469111)
> that's the whole reason they got rid of Google Maps

Is it? It was widely reported at the time (e.g., [1, 2]) that they were getting rid of Google Maps and creating Apple Maps because Google wanted to keep spoken turn-by-turn directions an Android-only feature.

[1]: https://daringfireball.net/2012/09/get_the_fainting_chair

[2]: https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-jilted-google-maps-over-verb...