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Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by lettergram on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:08PM (#20437833)
Credit scores? This is a fairly widely known fact that honestly shouldn’t need citations.

There’s a reason banks secure credit cards from people with no credit history. There’s a reason insurance in Florida is different than the rest of the U.S. etc

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by axaxs on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:30AM (#20438127)
I'm generally with you until the end sentence. But, insurance in Florida is like insurance anywhere else, so not sure what you're alluding to...
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by lettergram on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:03AM (#20438715)
I’m referring to the fact that Florida has much more expensive home insurance (and fewer home insurance companies) due to the risks associated with said region. A “neighborhood”, if you will (from the grand parent post). The insurance companies didn’t lower their standards, they offset their risks by charging more or being unavailable entirely.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by lotsofpulp on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:44AM (#20439873)
Does Florida even have any non taxpayer subsidized entities offering flood insurance for homes? I thought all coastal regions were subsidized by the National Flood Insurance Program.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by axaxs on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:56AM (#20441383)
Ah..so I think I can answer this correctly as it's something I researched prior to moving here. So, if you are in a flood zone, you will be required to get flood insurance IF you mortgage your house, as the lender will require it. To my knowledge, it's very expensive and typically only one program exists (probably the one you are referring to).

If you do not live in a flood zone, it varies a lot. Florida requires new homes to be built to appropriate hurricane proof codes since Andrew, so newer homes insurance are about like anywhere else in the nation. Older homes are somewhat more expensive, but usually not insane.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by Spooky23 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:35PM (#20437933)
Credit scores measure behavior, not your attributes.

The issue here was fraud. My credit score doesn’t help you assess risk if someone else is impersonating me.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by lettergram on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:14AM (#20438069)
Your zip code and the zip code of said transactions play a role in fraud.

Credit score likewise plays a role.

There are many many attributes taken into account when discussing fraud. Some models use methods which take in all attributes. There’s many kinds of fraud as well, some of which will be impacted by credit score (for instance if you have more credit, and use your credit card more often, you’re more likely to be a target for a “hacker”. This means fraud will be more likely to occur on your account).

For reference: I’ve built fraud detection models being used at banks.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by barbecue_sauce on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:59PM (#20438021)
They also don't necessarily correlate correctly with behavior. If you actively avoid debt, for instance, you are essentially penalized with regard to credit score.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by fiddlerwoaroof on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:35AM (#20438151)
That’s a feature, not a bug, the most profitable people are the ones that go into debt, never miss payments but also never pay it off.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by rjf72 on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:35AM (#20438619)
I've read this as the explanation multiple times, but I think there's an even more obvious explanation: people that go into debt, never miss repayments, and never pay it off are more likely to continue paying their debt off on time than somebody who never takes on or retains debt.

As but one component to this a person who never takes on debt has, tautologically, managed to live a life without any need of debt. That implies he would have little difficulty continuing to live a life without access to credit. Because of this, he will generally have substantially less concern about his credit rating than a person who depends on credit for their basic livelihood.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by ceejayoz on Monday July 15, 2019 @11:03AM (#20441465)
I'm not sure that doesn't correlate.

If I avoid debt for a decade, suddenly seeking debt should be a bit of a red flag, and I should have a correspondingly low credit score.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by barbecue_sauce on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:04PM (#20442083)
But the problem is credit scores are used as proxies for other purposes.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by craigzucchini on Monday July 15, 2019 @01:46AM (#20438453)
Credit scores measures behaviour in the same way that financial standing measures character or skin colour tells you something useful about a person. It try's to proxy one with another and fails, because really they're two independent variables and life is complex. Someone's ability to pay down debt at any given time is not behaviour, at least it's a tenuous argument.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by CPLX on Monday July 15, 2019 @10:09AM (#20440958)
> Credit scores measures behaviour in the same way that... skin colour tells you something useful about a person

Yeah no.

Credit scores, being a composite set of observations of recent financial behavior, are literally the opposite of an immutable genetic characteristic fixed from birth.

Credit scores are far, far, from perfect, but if you have a better way of judging the future actions of a human than compiling a list of their recent actions do speak up.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by craigzucchini on Sunday July 21, 2019 @01:44AM (#20490132)
I don't dissagree, but the nature of them being "far, far, from perfect" includes things that don't fall under the actions or behaviour of a person and end up being fixed for a period of time, making the comparison in some ways apt. Assuming you don't explore further, knowing someone's number and using it to characterize a person is at least close to as stupid as age discrimination or racial. I'd grant you that there is a higher liklihood than others that the number is informed by poor decision making, but it's equally likely that the number is low due to unforseen circumstances.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by lotsofpulp on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:47AM (#20439898)
>It try's to proxy one with another and fails, because really they're two independent variables and life is complex.

The use of data from credit reporting agencies is not to predict the outcome of lending to a specific person, but to predict the outcome of many, many loans to many, many people. For which I would say it succeeds, as the entities utilizing it seem to be economically successful due to making a smaller proportion of bad bets than entities who would not, for example in the linked article.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by URSpider94 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:23PM (#20437890)
First off, credit scores don’t necessarily correlate directly to honesty, they correlate to likelihood to pay back a debt, which could be driven by unfortunate circumstances like a sudden medical expense or loss of a job. Someone who is hit by a car and spends six months in the hospital may have a crap credit score and still be an honest person.

Second, the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t trustworthy is partly a racist trope (there are good and bad people everywhere), and partly the result of generations of well-documented racist policies by the government and banks that prevented those areas from being developed.

Third, nobody said the cars were getting stolen from “bad neighborhoods”. What the article says is that the vehicles were being driven to an area just outside of the Car2Go coverage area and dumped there.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by icxa on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:28PM (#20437907)
> the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t trustworthy is partly a racist trope

The concept of a "bad neighborhood" comes from crime statistics, not racist tropes. Either crime (theft, robbery, fraud, et all) is high, or it is not high, race be damned. Subscribers to a particular political ideology need to calm down with the whole "your facts/science are racist" bit, because it hurts everyone overall in the long run.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by onion2k on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:30AM (#20438129)
The level of crime in an area correlates far more closely to poverty than race, so suggesting a bad neighbourhood is bad because of the race of people who live there rather than other factors probably is racist.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by MrScruff on Monday July 15, 2019 @01:52AM (#20438476)
True but the first poster to mention race was the one bringing up the issue of racism.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by Noumenon72 on Monday July 15, 2019 @01:53AM (#20438481)
Given the extremely high correlation of crime to race, that seems unlikely. https://www.quora.com/Are-crime-rates-correlated-with-ethnic...
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by inferiorhuman on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:43AM (#20438645)
Given the extremely high correlation of crime to race, that seems unlikely.

Ouch man, you're not even going to try to dog whistle?

From your link:

As of 2003 West Virginia Blacks accounted for just 3.2% of the total population and 34.9% of the total prison population.

Simply translated: White areas are safer areas. That is an irrefutable fact. The poverty argument, or excuse more accurately, can be torn to shreds time-after-time.

There are so many conclusions being jumped to there that you've probably worn the mat out already. All of that racist bullshit completely ignores the disparities in enforcement, prosecution, and sentencing. As an added bonus it completely misinterprets how the FBI categories race. But hey, maybe you can get a good deal on a dog whistle for Prime Day.

Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by dogecoinbase on Monday July 15, 2019 @01:36AM (#20438413)
Systemic racism -> poverty -> crime. It's not complicated -- your facts are racist because they're facts about a racist system.
Re:After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles wer... by dmix on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:43PM (#20437965)
> the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t trustworthy is partly a racist trope

There are plenty of "bad neighbourhoods" with white people and every nationality. These same bad neighbourhoods exist in UK, Canada, across Asia and Latin America, etc. It's quite rare to find any large urban area without one. It's a human problem not a race one and it's hardly a trope. It's very much real.