Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by lotsofpulp on Friday July 12, 2019 @02:58PM
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Voters are well aware that they would have to pay more if their silo’d employer group health plans with healthier white collar employees were removed, so they vote accordingly. Voters don’t want to pay extra to subsidize those that can’t afford healthcare, and the politicians reflect that.
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Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by luckydata on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:18PM
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That's just not true under any possible light you want to look at the issue.
Single payer has proven in pretty much every western country to be massively less expensive than the insurance system in the USA.
Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by lotsofpulp on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:25PM
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I was agreeing with Someone1234 about people not wanting to lose their employer based healthcare.
US voters haven’t had the option for single payer, but they did have options for removing employer sponsored healthcare.
Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by yellowapple on Friday July 12, 2019 @08:05PM
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It's less expensive in aggregate, but on an individual level rates will almost certainly go up (even if they're lumped into taxes). Individuals cast votes, so if individuals are negatively impacted, they're going to vote against it.
The only way to dodge that is to subsidize it, whether by reducing the budget elsewhere (cough cough the F-35 program cough cough) or raising taxes (cough cough on the ultra-rich cough cough).
Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by luckydata on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:35PM
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I actually doubt it. Whenever I go back to Italy I can easily buy glasses at full price for the same price I get WITH insurance in the USA. Same story for a lot of other stuff, like dental work etc...
Insurance pushes the price of care up by about 5 to 6 times in my estimation, single payer would fix it.
That's not really relevant. Who pays premiums is separate from how the structure works. USA has various welfare programs for the needy, with wide support. Social Security is one of the largest and most popular items in the Federal budget.
Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by lotsofpulp on Friday July 12, 2019 @03:25PM
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It’s the big reason people don’t want to be dumped on healthcare.gov. Employers can get cheaper premiums due to having healthier pools of employees and the rest of society, and they get to pay with pre tax dollars to boot, which has never made sense.
Re:Hospitals Block ‘Surprise Billing’ Measure
by ztormbringer on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:13PM
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Social Security DOES NOT come out of the general fund (tax revrnues) so cannot have any effect on the budget (which is the plan of how to spend the general fund). Social Security is paid out of the separate Social Security Fund. The only way it affects the General Fund is via the contracted repayment of borrowed monies (and interest) owed to the SSF which the government seemingly wants to default on.