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Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by fyoving on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:20AM (#20410199)
Shouldn't be a long inquiry, this tax is textbook discriminatory trade barrier.

If you look at EU policy as france and germany protecting their perceived interests by targeting US tech companies it starts making sense, I think a rule of thumb there is: "if it hurts google it should be law".

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by nolok on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:43AM (#20410299)
> by targeting US tech companies

It does not. In a preliminary evaluation, there are 26 companies that would match the criterias, 11 are not americans, 4 of them (that's 1/6th) are even french companies to begin with.

• Vente de biens: Alibaba, Amazon, Apple, Ebay, Google, Groupon, Rakuten, Schibsted, Wish, Zalando.

• Intermédiaire de services: Amadeus, Axel Springer, Booking, Expedia, Match.com, Randstad, Recruit, Sabre, Travelport Worldwide, Tripadvisor, Uber.

• Publicité en ligne: Amazon, Criteo, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, Verizon.

The point is to catch up with something everyone else has figured out: that the value is in the users data. Investors have caught up to it and acted on it, so did VC, so did companies, so did everyone ... Except governments. If the data is what you extract your value from, then it should be normal that it is what you are taxed on.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by zaarn on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:28AM (#20410470)
If Axel Springer is taxed on board. I'd sign the law with my own blood if it brings them into financial ruin.

And Criteo too, they're the forgotten Data-kraken of Europe. Just go watch their Marketing Material!

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by fyoving on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:05AM (#20410382)
If my math is correct then most of the companies are American, and by far most of the potential revenue.

Considering the rhetoric leading to this tax and the french government's many raids and failed investigations into US companies and their taxes it's difficult even with careful wording for the french government to deny the actual target of this tax in a WTO type setting.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by etripe on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:32AM (#20410991)
Maybe the US should be targeting those companies, too. I don't think you can really say a multinational still is or acts "American", even if a majority of its employees and its owners are.
Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by JAlexoid on Thursday July 11, 2019 @02:16PM (#20413952)
For tax purposes most of those companies aren't even American. Apple, Alphabet's subsidiaries, Microsoft, Amazon, etc. are companies registered in Ireland or Luxembourg, or the likes.
Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by fulmicoton on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:49AM (#20410328)
Call it discriminatory if you want.

They have been playing the system using different tax evasion schemes. France makes a law to force them to pay their fair due.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by lm28469 on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:37AM (#20410272)
> by targeting US tech companies

It's targeting tech giants, not US companies. "Any digital company with revenue of more than €750m - of which at least €25m is generated in France"

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Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by CogitoCogito on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:45AM (#20410306)
While the law seems clearly to be targeted at US tech giants, why do you say it's discriminatory?

> "Any digital company with revenue of more than €750m - of which at least €25m is generated in France"

That sounds pretty non-discriminatory.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by nolok on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:47AM (#20410314)
11 of the 26 companies that fit the criterias are not american to begin with.
Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by jklepatch on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:51AM (#20410332)
Just showing your patriotism does not add much value to this thread.

If you want to have a meaningful contribution, you should use facts and logical reasoning.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by hef19898 on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:42AM (#20410525)
The OP provided facts. Now is setting a certain threshold discriminatory, no idea. One interesting data point would be the percentage of US tech giants in total compared to those that fall under the proposed tax. If they are overrepresented it might be discriminatory, if not much less so.
Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by lm28469 on Thursday July 11, 2019 @11:10AM (#20412109)
How do you tax an industry if said industry is majoritarily composed of US companies without it being flagged as discriminatory ? If we look at it the other way it would mean US companies have a free pass.
Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by JAlexoid on Thursday July 11, 2019 @02:18PM (#20413979)
So... Spotify and Microsoft are one single industry? That's an interesting definition, buddy.

And don;t forget that only the French sourced revenue is taxed.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by lm28469 on Friday July 12, 2019 @04:54AM (#20419281)
Might not be the same industry per say but the sources of revenue overlap. Facebook and Amazon are obviously different services, they both make insane amount of money through ads, most of which escape taxes.

The law is directed to companies fitting these criteria:

- advertisement (Alibaba, Amazon, Apple, Ebay, Google, Groupon, Rakuten, Schibsted, Wish, Zalando.)

- sale of personal data (Amadeus, Axel Springer, Booking, Expedia, Match.com, Randstad, Recruit, Sabre, Travelport Worldwide, Tripadvisor, Uber.)

- intermediary platforms (Amazon, Criteo, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, Verizon)

Don't forget that most of these companies abuse the system to avoid paying tax in most EU countries, for example airbnb paid something like 70k of tax in 2015 in France (a top google engineer would pay more tax than the whole airbnb business), because the only french based airbnb entity was a sub company which was used as an intermediary between France and Ireland. Of course it's in their interest/right to use as many loopholes as they legally can, but I don't see why France wouldn't update their tax laws to close of few of these loopholes and accommodate these new business model / business practices.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by hef19898 on Friday July 12, 2019 @05:34AM (#20419425)
I'm always amused about myself regarding my stance on these things. On the one hand I am totally supporting the closure of these loop holes because they are unfair and put ultimately an exaggerated tax load on the working population. Not a goid thing when we are still stuck with a system that provides less work for people due to automation but still relies on taxing work and salaries. On the other hand I cannot blame companies profiting from them. And it is not just tech giants, every major European corp. is dojng the exact same thing. And if, as an example, grocery chains are not following Amazon's model of just providing services to a selling entity based in a third country I consider that to be their fault. To be honest I have a plan to use Estonia and the Netherlands in something similar if it comes to fruition. Would I fight to keep the loop holes open? No, because I prefer a level playing field. Would I refuse to profit from them as long as they are there in a legal way? Absolutely not, why would I give up an advantage, a legal one non the less, if I don't have to.

And I think the impact isn't even that big for the "abusers". I have the impression that this kind of company is so optimized and thinking in a way that once the tax advantage goes they will still be much more competitive than companies currently not profiting from said loop holes.

Re:US launches inquiry into French plan to tax tech giants by jklepatch on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:52AM (#20410573)
Not sure which fact you are referring to.

“This is discriminatory ...” is a statememt, not a fact.