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Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by TomMckenny on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:17PM (#20408581)
I don't see where they accounted for those who incorrectly believe they understand the topic vs those who actually understand.

Unless they are claiming the process either:

1) detects how the brain correctly models Newtonian physics vs incorrectly.

or

2) detects accurate knowledge from incorrect. I can't imagine this lol rich assertion would be the actual claim. But the title does vaguely imply it.

Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by PascLeRasc on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:51PM (#20408739)
With these kind of fMRI studies, there's usually a written assessment before or after the scan to verify your understanding of the concepts. They're making claim 1, that you can detect how learning happens. There's also usually a baseline scan before the class or whatever education method takes place.

Source: I work in a very similar fMRI lab.

Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by mannykannot on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:32AM (#20411772)
I have a related, but different, question about what the classifier is discriminating on. The article quotes Kraemer as saying β€œin the study, we found that when engineering students looked at images of real-world structures, the students would automatically apply their engineering knowledge, and would see the differences between structures such as whether it was a cantilever, truss or vertical load.” This makes me wonder whether the algorithm is discriminating on knowledge of engineering terminology, rather than what the subjects understand of the physics involved. I am curious as to how the non-engineer subjects who got the answer right compare to the engineers.

Update: on reading the paper, it seems that the goal of the experiment was to distinguish between engineers and novices, and it conflates 'knowledge' with 'understanding', so the claims that the discrimination is on the basis the subjects' understanding of the issues appears to be editorial overreach.

Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by joe_the_user on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @11:30PM (#20408902)
Sure, I believe you can rigorously find brain patterns that are correlated with understanding. The obvious, "correlation is not causation" applies, however.

The problem is such pattern aren't any guarantee of understanding. Just "feeling confident" seems like such an easily correlated thing. More people who learn a subject sufficiently to do well on a test might "feel confident" but certain kinds of people might just feel confident without that actual learning.

Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by elefanten on Thursday July 11, 2019 @12:20AM (#20409097)
But they're testing the participants to see if they actually understand. Re-read gp
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by jgtrosh on Thursday July 11, 2019 @03:01AM (#20409647)
They're testing understanding for the learning set, but applying a correlation to estimate understanding on the test set.
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by TrinaryWorksToo on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:24AM (#20410953)
What is scientific causation but correlation that works to an acceptable quantity of Sigma?
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by Nasrudith on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:03AM (#20411560)
Causation also implies well sequential causality in some way and reproducibility. A subtle but crucial difference.

If most people on the battlefield are covered in their own blood will soon die that doesn't mean gathering a gallon of a person's own blood through several donations and then throwing it at them at a Gettysburg musuem will kill them.

Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by mannykannot on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:05AM (#20411574)
As Feynman discussed in "The Character of Physical Law", there is more to it than that, but I think one can say that the empirical evidence underpinning all science can be characterized as correlation that passes various statistical tests.
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by krisrm on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:13AM (#20411627)
Causal studies need to control for confounding variables, for one. There are all sorts of spurious non causal correlations with low p values.
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by porky on Thursday July 11, 2019 @06:01AM (#20410368)
Also, it is a matter of state of mind and mood - you might not believe you understand the concept because you do have bigger picture, but you might also understand it as intended by the test, but not believe that you yourself understands. We have an image of ourselves
Re:Brain activity can be used to measure how well you unders... by pessimizer on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @11:58PM (#20409001)
fMRI wrecked by impostor syndrome and Dunning-Kruger.