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Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by donatj on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:40AM (#20400707)
I disagree with it being so black and white. Higher speed travel saves time and energy. 55mph is generally considered optimal for vehicle fuel consumption. Slowing speeds pretty directly affects climate change and pollution.

I’d like to see a direct comparison of loss of life vs mph including figures on deaths from increased air pollution and other climate considerations.

I think one could also argue time lost in transit as a “loss of life” but that’s understandably too far for some.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by sokoloff on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:55AM (#20400773)
Driving an electric car for 4.5 years has helped me experience the tradeoffs in speed and efficiency (range) on a daily basis with fast feedback.

Though 55 mph is much more energy efficient than 65 mph, 35 mph is much more energy efficient than 55 mph as well.

I think the 55 mph point is realistically a balance between energy and time efficiency, not an optimum of energy efficiency alone.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by coredog64 on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @07:15AM (#20400863)
Spark ignition ICEs experience something called “pumping losses”: There’s a physical impediment (the throttle) that the engine has to work against at low engine speeds. So while drag increases with speed, it’s also true that at lower speeds you’re still converting hydrocarbons to waste heat at the same rate. The truth is that fuel economy is a delicate balance between rolling resistance, aerodynamic drag, gearing, and the engine power curve.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by afiori on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @07:30AM (#20400924)
With the car I usually drive the minimal efficient speed is around 30mph. Below that you are forced to a very low gear.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by admax88q on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @07:09AM (#20400831)
The tradeoff will be different for electric cars.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by scotty79 on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @07:48AM (#20401019)
Get a car that shows you current fuel efficiency. You'll see that most efficient means as slow as you can suffer through.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by Ididntdothis on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @09:11AM (#20401589)
“55mph is generally considered optimal for vehicle fuel consumption.”

For a while I did experiments with this and the most efficient speed was much slower. 55 is more about safety I would think or it’s possibly totally arbitrary.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by scatters on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @07:06AM (#20400812)
Completely incorrect. Rolling resistance is largely independent of speed, and drag is quadratic in speed. 55mph represents a speed where drag dominates rolling resistance.