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Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by chmod775 on Monday July 08, 2019 @06:06PM (#20387232)
> In the course of the spring, YouTube drafted a new policy that would ban videos trafficking in historical “denialism” (of the Holocaust, 9/11, Sandy Hook) and “supremacist” views (lauding the “white race,” arguing that men were intellectually superior to women).

Cool. So YouTube will force that group of people off their platform and magnify the intensity of their echo chamber in the process.

To many of those "problematic" videos other people have created detailed responses explaining why they are misguided. Now the other group won't see those rebuttals because they're on a different platform.

Thanks to what passes for a "good" recommendation engine nowadays people are already mostly subjected to content they already agree with - instead of content that might challenge their views and make them a better person.

This will continue until nobody's opinion is challenged ever (and doing so won't be socially acceptable in any case). I hope to never see the kind of society this leads too, but I fear we might be entering the endgame sooner rather than later.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by Joakal on Monday July 08, 2019 @10:49PM (#20388624)
Speech has always been a slippery slope. For example, they could start ghosting and demonetising videos critical of governments/companies. What's the acceptable limit to speech on Youtube?

Will the users care?

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by pjc50 on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @01:38AM (#20389252)
The recommendation engine works the other way - it can happily expose people to content that makes them a worse person.
Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by chmod775 on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @02:04AM (#20389341)
> it can happily expose people to content that makes them a worse person.

I'll just assume you meant "most people" here, because otherwise it's not an useful argument.

Then this would only be true if one of the following applies:

a. The position you consider "better" can't withstand criticism. (Which I'll just assume you don't believe.)

b. Most people don't want to be a good person. (Probably untrue.)

c. What constitutes a good person is not consistent in your circles and most people have a different understanding. (Unlikely?)

d. Most people can't think for themselves.

Assuming you believe d., let me tell you that most people are probably smarter than you think and are indeed able to think critically. Don't extrapolate from a few noisy but bad examples of humanity.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by Doubl on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @02:36AM (#20389474)
Have you seen bad content and now know that you've become a worse person? How are you worse now? If you haven't watched that sort of content then how do you know it would make you a worse person if you did? It sounds silly to me.
Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by jakeogh on Monday July 08, 2019 @11:10PM (#20388705)
Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by chmod775 on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @02:12AM (#20389378)
They are really not. They may be considered "common knowledge" in your circles.

You can find plenty of detailed rebuttals to the theories you subscribe to and I invite you to seek them out and consider the other side of the argument.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by jakeogh on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @03:28AM (#20389666)
Certainly. I have checked that box. The magnitude of bad/false information around that Tuesday exceeds the verifiable by orders.

Your other responses (I strongly agree with) tell me you haven't really looked into it.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by chmod775 on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @04:15AM (#20389844)
> Your other responses (I strongly agree with) tell me you haven't really looked into it.

By Tuesday you mean the WTC attacks?

I spent the better part of three years listening to someone who tried to convince me of the false-flag POV.

I'm still in the camp of I don't know and I don't care though, because it's not even my country and either way the weather forecast is gonna have a bigger influence on my life.

As for the Holocaust, you'll have a hard time convincing me since I'm German and there's still enough evidence of it here to drown yourself in if you so please (or touch with your bare hands if archives are not your thing). Also I guess my grandparents (or their parents) and virtually every older person with first or second-hand knowledge would have to be lying to me.

So yeah... that position is pretty untenable here. It's like if your distant uncle from France tried to convince you your arbor doesn't exist when it's right there outside your window in Arizona and your granddad can still tell you stories of his father building it.

Your french uncle would have to be damn convincing on the phone.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by jakeogh on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @04:58AM (#20390026)
That's pretty common. If I bring up the (rather specific) subject of that link to someone who has been extensively exposed to bad information, they associate it with some other event.

Association, where there is none, is a very effective way to poison the well and change the subject. I'm not suggesting you did either on purpose, it's clear you are being candid and relaying your experience.

Note I said nothing (anywhere... ever) about the unrelated older historical event you brought up. Indeed, I bet we agree.

Re:The Fight for the Future of YouTube by chmod775 on Tuesday July 09, 2019 @06:48AM (#20390526)
> Note I said nothing (anywhere... ever) about the unrelated older historical event you brought up. Indeed, I bet we agree.

Wait... what was 1, 2, and 7 referring to then? I just numbered the topics in the order they were brought up in the original article.