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Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by mushufasa on Saturday July 06, 2019 @12:20PM (#20370372)
eh. I wouldn't take that as a strike against them. It's pretty impossible to communicate crypto to laypeople using technical language, like AES or even SSL. You have to use analogies, to banks or militaries. For better or worse, that's just how it goes.
Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by CiPHPerCoder on Saturday July 06, 2019 @01:43PM (#20370787)
> For better or worse, that's just how it goes.

No, it isn't.

You don't have to use "bank-grade", "military-grade", etc. in your marketing. They don't actually mean anything, and only serve as a red flag for "we don't know what the fuck we're doing".

You can use almost-equally meaningless phrases like "state of the art", "industry standard", etc.

You can sell on a "proven track record" of not selling out to data brokers or yielding to government search warrants (although that mostly hinges on "never been subpoenaed" rather than "resisted a subpoena" in practical terms).

There's lots of other paths to take besides using "${DUMB}-grade" in your marketing copy. Saying "that's just how it goes" is yielding to a lazy cop-out with another lazier cop-out. It absolutely isn't just how it goes.

Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by mushufasa on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:31PM (#20371762)
I fail to see how using "equally-meaningless phrases" is worse than using other "equally-meaningless phrases."

Nord also says they never hold logs, and locate in Panama to avoid gov't subpoenas. It's not either/or. You can (should) put the technical information on a 'security' page for the people who know enough to find it and read it.