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Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by evo_9 on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:54PM (#20366190)
My abomination i3 is the best car I’ve ever owned. To each there own, I personally think it looks like it came out of Blade Runner and the only real complaint I have is I wish it were AWD and had wider, less bicycle-like tires.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by mwfunk on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:13PM (#20367556)
Just to be clear, I do think the i3 and cars like them have a place in the market, and kudos to BMW for getting outside of its comfort zone and shipping something new that has found an audience.

However, if I were running BMW (and it's surely best for everyone that I'm not), I wouldn't want the i3 to be the core of my EV business. The day-to-day bread-and-butter EVs should target the same demographic sweet spots as BMW's gas guzzlers: expensive but not too expensive, comfortable, attractive, high-performance vehicles with (at least perceived) consistently high quality for components, engineering, innovation, and some combination of classy design and sporty sexiness.

People can argue whether or not they've ever consistently nailed all or any of those marks, but at the very least, that is the niche that BMW aspires to be in in the auto industry, and the niche it has had the most success in occupying. BMW has had great success making a certain type of motorcycle and certain types of cars, and I've got to think they'd have great success making a certain type of EV if they fearlessly applied themselves to doing it. Maybe they've realized their mistakes and are doing that now, who knows, but they're years behind where I wish they were. :( I still think they can catch up as long as they've at least gotten their vision together by now.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by mstade on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:53PM (#20366806)
I’m sure it’s a great car but man it looks terrible, and I’m willing to bet a lot of consumers are just as vain as I am. It is of course just my opinion, and as you say: to each their own. I’m glad you like your car, but if I was to buy an EV I want it to look like a regular car – not like something out of blade runner.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by rhizome on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:22PM (#20367338)
Personally, it looks great if you think man-made stuff should look man-made.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by chronic7382 on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:07PM (#20367529)
Since we're playing this game, the BMW i3 looks bad to me.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by rhizome on Sunday July 07, 2019 @12:40PM (#20375963)
Of course not everything "interesting and/or unusual" is good design, but in this case I think it holds.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by maxsilver on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:54PM (#20367039)
> I wish it (had) less bicycle-like tires.

Agree completely. I absolutely love the i3 (especially the futuristic design, and the rex engineering), and was going to try to get one at some point -- until I discovered the bicycle tires.

I'm not sure it's even safe to drive on US roads with tires like that. Did BMW forget that potholes are a thing?

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by jjtheblunt on Saturday July 06, 2019 @12:51AM (#20367950)
Traded in my AMG-variant Mercedes for an i3 almost five years ago, and, while I miss the Mercedes, which was far more sure footed than any BMW i've known (probably courtesy of AMG), the i3 is a great entirely weird nerdmobile. And its tail end opens like the back of a cargo plane...just weird and useful.

Tires cost a fortune because they're annoyingly thin, so wear down fast, and only are made by Bridgestone, I think. Handling is great: carbon fiber and alumin[i]um.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by zwily on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:29PM (#20367160)
My bro-in-law had one and liked it, then moved to Nebraska. First snowfall they had to get rid of it - it was terrible on anything slippery.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by injb on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:34PM (#20367184)
Then he had the wrong tires, guaranteed.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by akmarinov on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:43AM (#20368824)
Exactly - bicycle tires.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by javagram on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:11AM (#20369073)
Perhaps the parent meant to suggest https://www.bmwblog.com/2015/04/04/bmw-i3-winter-tires-revie... for the winter. At least according to that review, using the winter tires would have been better in the snow.

Of course if you’d rather run all-weather tires without the hassle of changing from summer to winter tires, it seems like the i3 is a bad choice.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by untangle on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:52AM (#20369413)
The 19" tire is "All Season" rated. The 20" performance tire is "Summer Only." So if you want an i3 "without the hassle" you simply get one with the more-common 19" wheels.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by javagram on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:25PM (#20372853)
Yep. I rock all season tires on my (not an i3) car as well. They’ll never be great in the snow, but I live in an area where snow is rare so that’s fine.

I can certainly imagine the “bicycle” tires must not be very good at all in the snow unless they’re the specialized winter version!

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by shostack on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:43PM (#20367660)
My mechanic said the cost of tire replacements is nuts on them.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by schmookeeg on Saturday July 06, 2019 @01:29AM (#20368099)
$180 apiece. (our i3 has the 19" wheels. No idea what the 20" go for) Some Costcos stock them, ours had to order and it arrived next day.

I'd expect this cost is in the ballpark for their other cars.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by Ocerge on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:23PM (#20366364)
I can't provide a source right now, maybe Matt Farah, but I've always heard i3s are of extremely high quality. Perhaps people like to project their range anxiety onto the rest of the vehicle?
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by nvrspyx on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:37PM (#20366437)
I can’t speak for everyone, but it’s not so much the quality that puts me off, it’s the appearance. I personally think it’s ugly and there’s way too much “noise” in its aesthetics, for lack of a better term. But as the previous commenter said, to each their own. I’m sure it’s a fine car. It’s just not the aesthetic I’d go for, especially as far as BMWs go.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by evo_9 on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:13PM (#20367094)
It really is. The entire body is carbon fiber. We had a major hailstorm about a year back and it trashed everyone's car except mine at my office. No damage. I also had a joker run a light and clip my left-rear quarter panel - moving me about 1.5 feet in the process - also no damage.

I'm actually leasing mine and plan on buying one used. You can find them for sub-25k and quite honestly it's one of the best values EV-wise you can find.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by sunstone on Saturday July 06, 2019 @03:02PM (#20371230)
Yes that's the problem with electrics, even when they try to make them unappealing people still love them.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by blattimwind on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:34PM (#20366968)
Is electric AWD more like a low-end AWD (like Haldex) or can it actually compete with quattro?
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by kozak on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:00AM (#20420769)
With fully independent powertrains for both alxes (and potentially, for each of four wheels), electric AWD is potentially better that anything that mechanical AWD can offer.

I say "potentially" because one can always screw it up with bad (or poorly tuned) software.