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Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by mstade on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:33PM (#20366057)
Yeah I don't really consider hybrids EVs to be honest. I want to get off fossil fuels, not have a token battery that barely gets me out of the driveway.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by perl4ever on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:53PM (#20366807)
If 90 percent of your battery is used to cover the 5% of your travels that a PHEV's battery doesn't cover, it seems like it could potentially be more wasteful to own a BEV.

(I checked and it seems that a Tesla model 3 does indeed have a battery on the order of ten times the capacity of, say, a Prius Prime)

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by timthorn on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:54PM (#20366189)
My token battery gets me to work 20 miles away, and I rarely fire up the ICE, but it means that I can still drive from London to Scotland with only a single stop for petrol.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by vl on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:56PM (#20367707)
How is this an achievement? I drove from London to Edinburgh with no stops for fuel in a diesel car. Hybrid presumably should do better.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by saagarjha on Saturday July 06, 2019 @12:06AM (#20367751)
You left out the part about where they use zero fossil fuels for their daily commute.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by robocat on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:24PM (#20366698)
Unfortunately you can't get off fossil fuels by buying a car - they contain embedded energy of which a large percentage comes from fossil fuels.

If the lifetime of a vehicle is say 400000 kms, I calculate that a new Prius emits less CO2 than a new Model S if manufacturing etc is included.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by llukas on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:21PM (#20367334)
It highly depends on energy mix that Model S uses (ie. compare Quebec to Ontario): http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/snpsht/2018/09-01-1...

embedded energy (production) for EV is higher but not that much higher https://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-...

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by robocat on Sunday July 07, 2019 @04:45PM (#20377732)
From that blog: "Driving an average EV results in lower global warming emissions than driving a gasoline car that gets 50 miles per gallon (MPG)".

A Prius gets approx 50 MPG!

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by nr152522 on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:53PM (#20366808)
We’re in a transition phase, so hybrids are a practical solution for a lot of people. A “token” battery is useful to a lot of people. Especially those living in the city. Electric charge points aren’t abundant just yet.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by cynix on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:55PM (#20367044)
> Electric charge points aren’t abundant just yet.

Every wall socket is a charge point, and most people have dozens of those around their house. They're surely more abundant than petrol stations.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by erik_seaberg on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:31PM (#20367170)
240 V 50 A dryer outlets are said to work pretty well, if you happen to own a house. Normal 15 A appliance outlets barely work (Tesla says one hour per three miles!) and no apartment building has ever offered me a parking space that had one.

I wouldn't buy a pure-electric until nearly all apartments have charging, and that work has barely started.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by nr152522 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @01:11AM (#20368027)
Just to clarify, I was talking about inner city. Most existing apartment blocks (in London) don’t have charge points available in their car park.

On top of that, I find public charging points to be hit and miss. Quite often you find ICE only cars taking the space or the charging points just out of service/neglected.

I do look forward to the day when electric charging networks are available everywhere with rapid charging.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by adrianN on Saturday July 06, 2019 @01:06AM (#20368009)
A lot of people in cities don't have "their house" and don't want to hang a 50m cable out of their window.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by tedmcory77 on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:05PM (#20367071)
“Around their house”- key point when youre not near home.