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Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by seaborn63 on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:53AM (#20362136)
I read it but I have no idea what it meant. I am very interested in getting a Pi4, so can some of you more knowledgeable folks help me understand what this means?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by wereHamster on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:00AM (#20362191)
The Pi4 does not work with all USB-C chargers. You may be lucky and it will work, or you may be unlucky and it will not work and you will have to buy another USB-C charger (which again may not work).

The reason is that the developers of the Pi4 made a mistake while designing the electronic circuit. They tried to design it themselves instead of copying it from the specification.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by JshWright on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:45AM (#20362441)
The other reason for is that the developers of the USB-C specifications left us with a terrible confusing mess where visually identical cables have different capabilities and behaviors.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by derefr on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:50AM (#20362915)
If it’s confusing, just don’t use it. They could have stuck with a micro-B charger, or a custom charger, and no one would have questioned it. Instead, they decided they were confident enough in their understanding of USB-C to implement it on their device. And they were wrong.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by TremendousJudge on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:46AM (#20363418)
>They could have stuck with a micro-B charger

Somebody here said they were running into the maximum rated current for the port

>or a custom charger

Literally everyone would have complained

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by tracker1 on Friday July 05, 2019 @01:39PM (#20364273)
I don't think anyone would complain much if they supported a popular barrel connector with a popular power draw. As it stands, I'll only ever use a Pi with a charger sold as working with it after all the 3B+ issues I had (7 chargers, none worked without a warning on screen).
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by JshWright on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:02AM (#20363010)
I said the "other" reason. I am not absolving the RPi team here...

The fact that they shipped this reveals significant gaps in their engineering and QA processes.

That doesn't change the fact that USB-C is a mess, and that mess contributed to this failure.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by mbilker on Friday July 05, 2019 @12:10PM (#20363600)
The article states it is an issue with an eMarked cable, not the charger. With a different cable, the Pi 4 started up with the same chargers as it was no longer detecting the Pi as an analog audio accessory.

The issue still lies with the Pi 4 for not having two CC resistors.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by ddingus on Friday July 05, 2019 @12:38PM (#20363828)
Can this be fixed with a dongle?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by seaborn63 on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:24AM (#20363216)
This is exactly what I wanted. Thank you kindly
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by thedanbob on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:02AM (#20362197)
Due to a design flaw, the raspberry pi 4 won't receive power if you connect it to a USB-C cable that supports advanced features. If you use the official charger (or most USB-C chargers that come with their own cable, I'm guessing) you should be fine.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by seaborn63 on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:25AM (#20363239)
Ah nice,thanks for the info
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by progval on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:01AM (#20362192)
There are multiple types of USB C cables/devices. Raspberry Pi advertizes itself as the wrong kind of device, so it will only get power from a cable/charger that ignores that information.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by cesarb on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:59AM (#20362535)
It's more subtle than that: the RPi4 will advertise itself as the wrong kind of device only when the cable advertises itself as a marked cable.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by baq on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:12AM (#20362246)
to be 100% sure it works - get the official charger.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by OrangeMango on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:33AM (#20362360)
But then it's a $50, $60, $70 computer.

(This has always been my complaint anyway. The Pi Zero works great with any of the USB chargers you already own too many of, but the rest of the Pi line needs higher-spec chargers that most people need to buy as an add-on)

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by ocdtrekkie on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:53AM (#20362935)
As a $50, $60, $70 computer, it's still an incredibly cheap computer.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by baq on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:07AM (#20362596)
most people don't have a 3A charger which the RPi 4 requires (per manual) if you're planning on hooking up peripherals.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by owenversteeg on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:57AM (#20363495)
I completely agree, I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. The price is extremely important, and I don't care who says it's not. If it's a $35 computer, sure, buy a couple, play around with them, it's OK if one gets damaged/stolen/whatever. If it's $35, sure, the school can buy them for the kids. If it's $35, you can gift one to your nieces and nephews who are interested.

But it's not $35. You need an SD card and power at an absolute minimum (+$15), and then some way to connect to a screen and a keyboard (if just for a minute, to set up SSH and to fix it when it breaks.)

That's why I like the Pi Zero W. $10, and then $5 for a microSD card, and you can run it off of a laptop (or a powerbank, or an old phone charger, or a USB port.) It's beautiful. That leaves you with plenty of room to buy stuff like the PiOLED tiny display for $15, or a radio bonnet, or what have you.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by OrangeMango on Friday July 05, 2019 @12:14PM (#20363643)
The price is very important, but so is the act of minimizing electronic waste. I've personally collected so many gadgets and their associated accessories that I don't know what to do with them.

It is a fair criticism to say that I am going too far, but I want to reuse the things I already have. I don't want to continue buying single-use things that will eventually be waste. It's not that I won't ever do it, but I now think very carefully about it before buying more electronic toys.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 not working with some chargers by imtringued on Friday July 05, 2019 @03:10PM (#20364987)
If you ever thought that the raspberry pi was a $35 computer then I have a bridge to sell. The fact that it doesn't even come with a cheap plastic case should already be a warning signal that it's going to cost more than that.