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Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by antonvs on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:20PM (#20358595)
> You can't tell the difference between a particle whose wave function has collapsed and one that hasn't.

Could you expand on this? For example, in the double slit experiment, it's easy to observe the effects of "uncollapsed" (superposition) behavior.

Perhaps you're saying that we can't observe a particle without collapse occurring (from a Copenhagen perspective), so we never directly observe an uncollapsed particle. But we can observe the distinct effects that uncollapsed particles have, which seems to undermine your claim.

Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by monocasa on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:41PM (#20358721)
The double slit experiment has been replicated in fully classical macroscopic systems. https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.97...
Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by antonvs on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:29PM (#20359424)
How do you believe that supports the original claim that I quoted, "You can't tell the difference between a particle whose wave function has collapsed and one that hasn't"?

Even if we take that paper at face value, there's a clear distinction once a "particle" has interacted with something, like a detector screen: the particle's wave is no longer sustained, so you can indeed "tell the difference."

In any case, that paper's parallels with quantum systems are limited at best. Even in the paper itself, we find some of the caveats:

> "There is, however, a huge gap between our system and the quantum world where diffraction and interference of single particles is usually observed."

It goes on to list a number of differences which make it clear that all we're dealing with is a limited analogy, the relevance of which is dubious.

Beyond that, the paper has been largely refuted in the last few years. See e.g.: https://www.quantamagazine.org/famous-experiment-dooms-pilot... :

> A series of bouncing-droplet findings since 2015 has crushed this dream. The results indicate that Couder’s most striking demonstration of quantum-like phenomena, back in 2006 — “the experiment that got me hooked on this problem,” the fluid dynamicist Paul Milewski said — was in error. Repeat runs of the experiment, called the “double-slit experiment,” have contradicted Couder’s initial results and revealed the double-slit experiment to be the breaking point of both the bouncing-droplet analogy and de Broglie’s pilot-wave vision of quantum mechanics.

No matter how you look at it, this paper can't support the claim I was asking about.

Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by Iv on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:01PM (#20358820)
Except that a droplet is not a single particle. We have known for a long time that a droplet is divisible and can spread as a wave.

Quantum theory states the existence of quantums: indivisible parts of matter and energy.

Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by monocasa on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:11PM (#20358876)
The interaction in that experiment doesn't have the droplet dividing or dissolving into the wave. For the purposes of that experiment, the droplet is a quantum unit.
Re:What’s Going on During Wave Function ‘Collapse’ by mrkstu on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:14PM (#20358892)
So all quantum vs classical differences could be reduced to what we are measuring isn’t ‘atomic’ in the Greek classical sense?