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Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by a-wu on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @05:47PM (#20349189)
I disagree. Touch screens without accompanying physical controls, maybe, but I don’t think touch screens should be banned. I’m a quadriplegic and drive a heavily modified van. I accept that I belong to an extremely small demographic but without a touch screen I wouldn’t be able to control any secondary functions. I think the way my Chrysler Pacifica does it is nice- there’s an 8” touch screen but also physical controls for the HVAC and media.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by nicksantamaria on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:10PM (#20349421)
I have a late model VW Tiguan and it has a great design with physical controls + large capacitive touch screen.

No critical driving functions are controlled by the touch screen.

I think this is a very usable approach.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by Bonooru on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:03PM (#20349355)
How does driving as a quadriplegic work? What are tools and modifications that make it possible?
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by a-wu on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @07:00PM (#20349806)
Lowered floor with ramp conversion (lots of specialty manufacturers do this, mine is VMI), custom reduced effort (2:1 ratio) horizontal steering (like a bus, but 8 inch diameter), reduced effort gas/brake hand control (hand control is Menox, I think the reduced effort part is custom), Paravan Touch system for ignition/shifting/secondaries, tri-pin on all hand interfaces to hold my hands in place with special splints.

You can buy a van from the conversion companies pretty easy, my steering column was built by a specialty company in San Diego. All together it works very well for me.

edit: here's a picture of the setup, the steering wheel is elevated here but it normally sits right above my lap: https://imgur.com/a/qOSP5Dg

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by SenHeng on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:23AM (#20351495)
Could you get one at another angle? I can’t quite figure out how the 3 handles work.

Also, that plate looks like it’ll drive straight into your chest during some hard braking.

Edit: NVM, I get it now. I see that it’s mounted on the centre column and you basically shove your left hand into it.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by cyberferret on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:44PM (#20349671)
I am assuming you mean paraplegic? Don't know of many quadriplegic people who can (or would be allowed) to drive, but I know a couple of paraplegic people who do.

I was surprised at how little (and quick) the modifications were to a standard car to make them accessible. Really only the mounting of a grip knob on the wheel, and a side handle for the throttle/brake. There were other mods such as pull down strap handles for the boot lid etc., but by and large the biggest mods were those two in the cockpit.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:54PM (#20349754)
> I’m a quadriplegic and drive a heavily modified van

> I am assuming you mean paraplegic?

This is the most contrary Hacker News I've seen yet.

Do you honestly think it's likely that someone is mistaken about whether they're paraplegic or quadriplegic?

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by tom_ on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:56PM (#20349773)
A more charitable interpretation would be that parent is replying to grandparent alone, having found the comment on 'new', and is unaware of the great-grandparent comment that prompted it.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by mkl on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:14AM (#20351995)
The "comments" page (not "new"; that's articles) has no reply buttons, presumably because replying without context is anti-conversation. I don't think it's charitable to assume other commenters would do that.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by tom_ on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:41AM (#20353658)
So there isn't! I occasionally look at that page, but have never gone so far as to actually try to respond to anybody that way, so I never noticed the lack of Reply button.

This is a thread about people being dumb, I suppose, so I am proud to have played my part.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by DavidAdams on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:56PM (#20350568)
Many quadraplegic people have limited use of their arms. Pretty much everything I know about quadraplegics I learned from the most excellent documentary, Murderball, which is about quadraplegic rugby, a full-contact sport played in wheelchairs. Athletes are assigned a number based on their degree of movement ability and your team can field a certain total, so strategically you can opt for a larger number of less-mobile players.

If you watch Murderball, which I'd recommend, make sure to watch the DVD extras, which includes an episode of Jackass starring some of the film's athletes.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by jessaustin on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:27AM (#20353573)
It is confusing for those outside the community. A person who had full use of her legs but severely limited use of her arms and hands would not be considered "paraplegic". However, if she had no use of her legs, the same condition of her arms would classify her as "quad" rather than "para".

Yes, it would be nice if we were all inherently sensitive to this nuance. That isn't the case, so I appreciate that your comment actually attempted to inform rather than simply castigating like sibling comments.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by a-wu on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:55PM (#20349765)
Nope. Quadriplegic.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by derp_dee_derp on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @06:56PM (#20349770)
No, they mean quadriplegic.

Please read the comment they are replying to. OP states they are quadripelegic. The comment you seem offended by is a direct response to that.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by Aloha on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:25AM (#20351509)
I'd agree with you about the uConnect system, its the best, hands down out of all of the infotainment systems I've used.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by neuralRiot on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:41PM (#20365710)
On the other hand that rotary shifter on dodge/chryslers is an abomination, and to make it even more delightful to use is placed very close to the radio and A/C controls.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by Aloha on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:47PM (#20367215)
oh god, don't even get me started about that, they even have the same texture as the other controls
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by Angostura on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:52AM (#20352812)
Voice controls are superior to touch controls in those circumstances.