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Re:The case against plant consciousness by ta1234567890 on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @05:05PM (#20348767)
Completely agree that it's very hard to have conversations about implications of consciousness without first having a definition that we can all agree on.

In that line, what do you define as a "closed system"? Technically, nothing exists that doesn't somehow interact with its surroundings. Including humans (we breath, eat, absorb/exchange heat from air/sun, etc). Also black holes (Hawking radiation).

Re:The case against plant consciousness by anon_z88 on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @05:16PM (#20348886)
By closed system, I mean anything which you can isolate from anything else.

For example, a car and a truck are both vehicles, but a vehicle is neither a car or a truck.

The truck or car are the subject/closed system.