Even now, there are only certain regions where the other networks have advantages over Tesla's (coincidentally, the part of the US I'm in is one of those regions). Tesla is currently promising to support other viable networks in the future, presumably by adapters. At the very least, Chademo is expected for the model 3 in the near future, but hopefully CCS as well. Obviously they already support CCS in Europe.
Also, keep in mind that GM is a pretty traditional manufacturer and doesn't even give you a CCS charger without paying for an additional DC fast charging option.
Tesla isn't perfect, cars aren't perfect, but Tesla's are as good as they get in EVs right now.
There's type 1 and 2 AC charging, US vs Europe. Each of those has a DC charger version with DC charge pins added below the connector. At least these are mostly a form factor issue.
Japan's manufactures have been pushing chademo, which has 2 versions itself and uses a completely different signalling protocol.
China has yet another standard, with different signalling, but they're working with chademo to try to unify it in a new version.
Then Tesla has theirs. At least Tesla is starting to unify around having adapters for the competing standards, though the adapters aren't cheap.
I admit, I do like the CCS system if I were a car manufacturer. You make a larger socket and you can support both AC and DC sources in one connector. Alas, it has the two different connector type standards. But it is still all a mess if you're a car maker.
At least Europe has started to standardize on a reasonable variant of CCS (type 2?) and Tesla is starting to just put these on the car with an adapter for the other types (including Tesla's own proprietary one). That makes a lot of sense to me and that standard seems pretty good.
I still don't know why the US hasn't done the same thing. Instead the CCS adapters here are huge and clunky, and there are no adapters for Teslas at all. The stations here get an occasional Bolt charging at well below the capability of the charger and that is about it.
The traditional automakers aren't immune from this sort of thing.
Personally, I'm a great believer in the theory that character is the great redeemer in cars. I once owned an '86 Subaru BRAT. It had all manner of quirks, but character in spades. Loved it, wish I'd never sold it.
I will say, the water pouring into the trunk bug is singularly annoying, all the more so since the Civic doesn't have a lot of character to make up for it. Or maybe that's the Civic's manifestation of character, and I haven't yet found the flaw it's there to make up for.
Doug DeMuro Reviewing a $200000 hummer: https://youtu.be/UqKUExgryXo
That's a 14, approaching 15 year old car. The weather seals and such are probably past their lifespan, and I'd expect Honda has improved the Civic in a number of ways in the last 15 years.
That's also comparing a ~$19,000 car to a base model $35,000+ Model 3 (that costs $45,000+ in some cases). They're not supposed to play in the same league. You'd expect the Model 3 (or any Tesla for the price-point) to be a lot better than a generic Honda.
I think you're being blinkered in your views.
> snow falls off the rear windshield into the trunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkSuyXnCSO4
> no place to store sunglasses
Most cars me and my family had - had no such thing (though I agree it's very convenient).
I agree that Tesla is mass manufacturing newbie (slow to scale up, compared to the industry veterans), shoddy manufacturing practices/decisions, but they have things sorted where it matters though. Extremely well built batteries with superb longevity (Nissan Leaf's AFAIK are the worst, due to being air-cooled, etc.). Tesla has powerful and more efficient motors/batteries/drivetrain than competitors. Using adapters between power/data connectors is daily occurrence to me. I am not amazed we have this problem with relatively new tech of EVs.
I am not sure about charging. Was there any standards when Tesla started developing their Superchargers and Model S, especially for Tesla's demands for very fast charges? Maybe they did not have any other option?
P.S. all in all if not Tesla breathing into the car giants' backs (and probably if not diesel-gate), most manufacturers will not be aggressively expanding their EV line-ups now. They would do it in 5-15 years time, when more aggressive regulations would kick-in.
> Most cars me and my family had - had no such thing (though I agree it's very convenient).
OK, but we're not discussing budget cars - a Model 3 will run you $35,000 to $45,000+. That's premium car territory - and you should expect premium build quality and features.
Skimping on a sunglasses holder is ridiculous for this price level, and while may be trivial by itself, it's indicative of the tier of design that went into the vehicle - budget.
The leaf for example is 31k, has a 150 mile range and many sacrifices. The bolt on the other hand is running $36,620 for the base model with a more reasonable range.
Without the rebate, it's a $29k car - still cheaper than the base $35k Model 3. They both get about the same range.
S: $30,885
SV: $33,385
SL: $37,095
S Plus: $37,445
SV Plus: $39,405
SL Plus: $43,445
That's, of course, before any negotiations. MSRP would naturally be above invoice price, which is of course above manufacturing cost.
Where are your numbers coming from?
The 2019 Nissan Leaf S is priced at “$29,990,” plus a destination charge of $895. Though last I checked Tesla has a "destination fee" of $1,125 even if you pick it up at the factory.
At a traditional car dealership, practically nobody pays sticker price... the price you see advertised is the anchor point to start negotiations, ie. "worst case price".
Dealerships often get more than MSRP, but they are often making money through hidden fees like a high interest rate on a car loan etc. Prices may also increase when inventories are low, but generally it’s through a wide range of up selling.
Put another way, dealerships can afford a large sales staff because it’s making them money. One highly profitable sale can be worth more to a dealership than several average sales.
That's not true. Each trim package has it's own MSRP, and while a dealership may inflate the asking price for a particular model with a particular trim package or features, few people walk into the dealership having no idea what the standard asking prices are - and willing to pay full asking price too.
Of course dealerships make money from financing terms and leasing - and yes things like "window etching" and more are pure profit for the dealership. That doesn't change the vehicle's out the door price.
Supply and demand can impact the customer in a positive or negative fashion. Many people really end up paying under MSRP, but not everyone. It’s not uncommon for "market adjustment" on an in demand car to push people over MSRP. Similarly many buyers don’t negotiate well and simply get taken advantage of.
However, the most common way people pay over MSRP is with leases or alternate fees. Dealerships simply have a multitude of levers to work with and can insert many meaningless fees.
Destination charge is the most common but hardly the only BS fee. The price is what they charge you, not just another line item on your bill.
It's such a ridiculously 1st world problem to rant about - it's crazy. If it's top 3 problem with Teslas, then I think they are doing very well with their design and manufacturing.
Germans only added reasonable cup holders a decade ago.
That's effectively the top model with all options ticked.
The Sport model: $26,180
Your choice of paints, included. HondaSense, included.
Want to add Chrome Alloy wheels, sure, $2,000.
But you can then get -every- exterior option for about $1,000 (trim, door edges, puddle lights, splash guards, vanity grill).
And -every- interior accessory for about another $1,000 (HomeLink, cargo, doorwell illumination, etc.).
And -every- electronic accessory for well, just another $1,000 ($1,020 to be precise) - Engine block heater, parking sensors, additional USB charging ports, wireless charging for the dash.
I'm not sure how turning on every single option, plus chrome alloy wheels for $30k becomes "moderate spec for high 30s".
This doesn't seem to really be true. Most cars sold in the US are still not EV, and Tesla's ~245k[1] cars delivered in 2018 is really, really small compared to ~5.3 million cars sold in the US in 2018 in total[2].
Looks like of the 5.3 million sold in the US in 2018, about 361k[3] were EV's. So, ya, Tesla has the lion share of EV's delivered in 2018 (not necessarily sold in 2018, mind you), but EV's is still a very small market and no sign that it's being aggressively expanded beyond a few select customer bases.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-v...
[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/199974/us-car-sales-sinc...
[3] https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/us-electric-veh...
That's happened in literally every car I've ever had, when you open the trunk the bit closes to the windshield that becomes the 'bottom' always has an inch or more gap between it and rubber gasket/weather strip. Any snow on the rear window or trunk deck slides down and if there is enough dumps into the trunk, unless it is very wet and can hold itself in a clump.
And, as much as I want Tesla to succeed, they really need to figure out how to get some know-how from standard automakers. I never had a pile of snow fall into the back of my Leaf when I opened its trunk! It also had a sunglasses holder, and I didn't need to use a dongle to plug it into a standard charger.