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Re:Smartphones and Dematerialization by dvdbloc on Monday July 01, 2019 @05:33AM (#20323748)
So if we are going to account for all of the things making my smartphone possible as consuming electricity, I think we should account for all of the things associated with running my refrigerator such as the energy it takes to make the food I want to store and the refrigerated trucks it took to get to me.
Re:Smartphones and Dematerialization by dredmorbius on Monday July 01, 2019 @07:57PM (#20330903)
The power utilisation of a refrigerator scales at best poorly with the quantity of food moved through it, unlike a smartphone (door openings is a far greater predictor), and human food consumption is generally constrained (1800-3200 kcal/day per person, more or less), whilst data appetites both vary and have grown markedly.

You do raise a good point that behind msny. products is a long chain of either embedded manufacturing or complementary products costs. But the avoidable costs of food vs. data (refrigerated or not, people need food to eat; we'd survived 200,000 years before iOS) argues against your comparison.

Re:Smartphones and Dematerialization by weego on Monday July 01, 2019 @05:53AM (#20323854)
That's a false equality. Counting food would be analogous to counting the energy used to build the apps. The fact that a fridge has less features that require additional power draw don't detract from the point.