Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CobrastanJorji on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:08PM (#20267883)

"This machine designed solely to lie and mislead in order to drum up and target hatred and rash action cannot be trusted, on account of its history of doing nothing except lying and misleading. However, if this machine designed solely to lie and mislead others is telling the truth this time, that makes me very upset!"

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by colpabar on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:23PM (#20268041)

You should post this on reddit too; it'd get more upvotes.

In all seriousness though, this isn't a helpful comment. The comment you're replying to makes it abundantly clear that Project Veritas should be taken with a yuge grain of salt. An explanation of your own position is a much better discussion that mocking the position with which you disagree.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CobrastanJorji on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:38PM (#20268209)

That's a fair criticism, thanks.

That said, I don't think "taken with a grain of salt" takes it nearly far enough. Project Veritas is not an unreliable news source. It is a propaganda agency led by criminals. I don't know of a single completely true news story ever produced by them.

Beginning an argument with the antecedent "If Project Veritas is telling the truth about this" brings us into the realm of fun and fancy. If someone said "If unicorns are real and produce large quantities of greenhouse gases, then man man may not be responsible for climate change," it'd be a reasonable logical statement, but it's still not useful in a serious discussion about anything.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by chaosite on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:09PM (#20268506)

"Project Veritas" is James O'Keefe's thing.

It's infamous for trying to sting the Washington Post with false rape allegations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Failed_attempt...

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by colpabar on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:02PM (#20268440)

No problemo; I appreciate the response. But I have to say that it's a pretty yuge red flag for me when someone makes claims as bold as "It is a propaganda agency led by criminals" and doesn't provide a single link to back it up.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CobrastanJorji on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:46PM (#20268856)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe

Project Veritas is the name of the organization run by this guy: James O'Keefe. His modus operadi is to set up some sort of meeting with a liberal target under false pretenses, secretly record video, and then edit the video as much as possible to make them look bad. He made a name for himself doing this to ACORN back in 2009 (which successfully destroyed ACORN but also led to O'Keefe later paying the poor defamed ACORN worker $100,000).

When I say "criminals," I mean he and his employees pled guilty to disguising themselves as telephone workers and sneaking into the office of a U.S. Senator. https://web.archive.org/web/20100531174024/http://neworleans...

Examples of his recent work include having his employee try to convince the Washington Post that Roy Moore raped her, for the purpose of discrediting the Washington Post's other stories about Roy Moore.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by colpabar on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:56PM (#20268932)

Now this is a comment!!

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by yourbandsucks on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:46PM (#20268851)

I mean, you can Google them yourself, too.

They've been front page news multiple times for doctoring videos, lying, etc. The acorn "sting" and WaPo incident are probably their greatest hits.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by root_axis on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:07PM (#20268492)

I'm not so arrogant as to assume that everything I think I know is absolutely true. Just because O'Keefe is a criminal doesn't mean it's impossible for him to ever discover something untoward. Your unwillingness to consider the nuance of the situation actually feeds into O'Keefe's strategy of disinformation.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CobrastanJorji on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:52PM (#20268903)

You've moved from "I am betting she'll be fired over this" to "it's not impossible that this is true."

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by root_axis on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:06PM (#20269012)

I haven't moved from anything. Those two statements are not mutually exclusive.

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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by OBLIQUE_PILLAR on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:42PM (#20269300)

Immediately dismissal anything connected to James O'Keefe as garbage is perfectly valid.

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