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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by grayed-down on Monday June 24, 2019 @11:56AM (#20264841)
Why? Do you think they're deep-faking their videos of people admitting to nefarious things?
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by awakeasleep on Monday June 24, 2019 @12:45PM (#20265503)
They're professional trolls that attempt to lead people on and misquote/misrepresent everything their enemies do-

to the point where they sacrifice the achievement of conservative goals in favor of short term outrage.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by rijoja on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:39PM (#20266882)
In this particular case was there a misquote?
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by V-eHGsd_ on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @10:40AM (#20274655)
according to the executive in question, yes.

https://medium.com/@gennai.jen/this-is-not-how-i-expected-mo...

> Project Veritas has edited the video to make it seem that I am a powerful executive who was confirming that Google is working to alter the 2020 election. On both counts, this is absolute, unadulterated nonsense, of course. In a casual restaurant setting, I was explaining how Google’s Trust and Safety team (a team I used to work on) is working to help prevent the types of online foreign interference that happened in 2016. Google has been very public about the work that our teams have done since 2016 on this, so it’s hardly a revelation.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CapricornNoble on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @12:32PM (#20275912)
To expand on this, check out some of comments that have been purged by Medium, many of which are pretty mild:

https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/06/24/here-are-some-of-the-...

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by plorkyeran on Monday June 24, 2019 @12:49PM (#20265551)
They have a track record of splicing together videos to make it appear that people have admitted to nefarious things which they never actually said, yes.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by castlecrasher2 on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:32PM (#20266109)
I heard this defense when the PP-selling-baby-parts video came out and had to see for myself. On watching the unedited video, I came to the conclusion that the accusation that Project Veritas is fabricating or otherwise manipulating these videos is a complete lie.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by DiogenesKynikos on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:13PM (#20266579)
In that case, they tried to prod the PP representatives into joking, and then edited down those jokes to look like serious statements. The idea was to present a false image in which PP is making a fortune out of body parts, instead of the reality, which is that they will give fetuses for research, but receive nominal compensation for the cost of doing so.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by rijoja on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:41PM (#20266921)
mhm so they gave body parts and received money? Sounds a lot like selling to me.
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Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by komali2 on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:09PM (#20277088)
>You are ignoring general and subjective western morals and ethics in your comparison.

And are you assuming what those morals and ethics are? Considering 67% of Americans think abortion should be legal in "all" or "most" cases?

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by DiogenesKynikos on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:47PM (#20266996)
It costs them money to preserve fetuses for research. They're allowed to be reimbursed for that cost. The law allows them to do so.

Maybe you don't like the idea of fetuses being used in medical research, but that's a different issue. If Project Veritas were to argue that fundamental point, then that would be honest. What they did, which was dishonest, was to try to present a false picture in which Planned Parenthood was somehow getting rich off of selling fetuses. As usual, there are honest and dishonest ways of trying to argue for political change. The former relies on accurately depicting what is going on and arguing against it, while the latter relies on lying about what is going on, because one believes that one's lies serve the greater good.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by V-eHGsd_ on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:45PM (#20266249)
they have a well documented history of releasing selectively edited videos
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by grayed-down on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:04PM (#20266485)
Do you mean like mainstream television news does? The reason I ask is because I have not noticed any big or even significant shifts in context between whatever snippets they release and any raw footage that makes it out afterwards. That's just me, and I'd like to think I'm being reasonable in looking at this.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by bduerst on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:34PM (#20266836)
I don't think 'mainstream television' tries to bait staffers into committing voter fraud, fabricates accusations of underage sexual assault, or dresses up as Bin Laden to make some point about border crossing in Mexico. This "whatabout mainstream media" falls apart as a deflection because the laundry list of things that James O'Keefe has done puts him pretty far into his own camp as being a professional troll.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by grayed-down on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:59PM (#20268407)
Investigative journalists are ALWAYS trying to bait their targets. They wouldn't have a job if they didn't!
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by bduerst on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:42PM (#20268814)
How is paying a woman to lie about being sexually assaulted as a teenager (and getting paid to abort the following pregnancy) actually investigative journalism?
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by splintercell on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @11:31PM (#20281652)
> How is paying a woman to lie about being sexually assaulted as a teenager (and getting paid to abort the following pregnancy) actually investigative journalism?

You do understand that on the other side of the political spectrum there are people (in large quantities) who don't believe that the teenager who is sexually assaulted should be directed towards abortion?

You're rhetorical statement is as ridiculous as someone saying "How is going to baker after baker and trying to find a hard working god fearing Christian baker and forcing him to bake a cake he doesn't wanna bake, investigative journalism?"

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by CobrastanJorji on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:12PM (#20267927)
Do mainstream television news stations in your area plead guilty to disguising themselves as telephone repairmen and sneak into U.S. Senate offices "to investigate complaints that she was ignoring phone calls?"
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by grayed-down on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:56PM (#20268383)
I am certain that adjudicated crimes of misrepresentation and trespassing are not unprecedented in investigative journalism.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by drak0n1c on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:56PM (#20266393)
They consistently release the full unedited footage afterwards, for years now. That’s significantly better than the large TV news outlets, and the selectively edited videos paraded nightly on Oliver, Colbert, Late Show, etc.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by sonnyblarney on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:51PM (#20266332)
Every investigative journo program selectively edits their interviews.

If you see some 'behind the scenes' from 60 minutes, CBC, BBC ... it's all edited to elicit the 'prime moments' and often in the favour of the narrative they're trying to present.

I suggest Vertias is definitely worse, I think they are seedy, I don't trust it outright, but there's unavoidably real material there.

So - low journalistic standards, but sometimes access to key information.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by V-eHGsd_ on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:59PM (#20266419)
the difference between 60 minutes editing and veritas (epic name, "truth", lol) is that 60 minutes doesn't edit a clip to the point of changing the apparent meaning of what's being said. That's exactly what veritas does.
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by grayed-down on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:08PM (#20266517)
I'm sorry, but I have not perceived this to be the case at all. Are there any examples that stand out to you?
Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by V-eHGsd_ on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @10:43AM (#20274686)
I mean, there's no need to look further than this incident (but you're certainly welcome to if you'd like).

https://medium.com/@gennai.jen/this-is-not-how-i-expected-mo...

> Project Veritas has edited the video to make it seem that I am a powerful executive who was confirming that Google is working to alter the 2020 election. On both counts, this is absolute, unadulterated nonsense, of course. In a casual restaurant setting, I was explaining how Google’s Trust and Safety team (a team I used to work on) is working to help prevent the types of online foreign interference that happened in 2016. Google has been very public about the work that our teams have done since 2016 on this, so it’s hardly a revelation.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by darkpuma on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:16PM (#20266622)
You can't even trust 60 minutes to tell you how long their show is; it's 45 minutes at best!

Seriously though, I honestly don't get why that show is so popular. Maybe decades ago it was the best thing on TV, but that's damning with faint praise. It's such a short format they never cover anything beyond the surface details of an issue. It gives people the sensation of being informed without actually having to do the hard legwork being informed actually requires. And of course, anything shorter is almost certainly even worse; video is generally a problematic format that lends itself to surface level details chosen to not confuse the lowest common denominator.

Re:Google’s Rivals Gear Up to Make Antitrust Case by sonnyblarney on Monday June 24, 2019 @02:06PM (#20266498)
I'd disagree. The narrative in 60 minutes often decontextualizes information to the point of misrepresentation. It's a matter of thresholds.