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Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by mojuba on Sunday June 23, 2019 @04:55AM (#20254028)
A bigger question for me is, why can't monitors boot instantly? So annoying that a monitor that went to sleep can sometimes take 10-20 seconds longer to wake up than the computer it is attached to.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by quickthrower2 on Sunday June 23, 2019 @05:09AM (#20254088)
But my 5” touchscreen monitor can...
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by gruez on Sunday June 23, 2019 @09:10AM (#20255231)
If it's really 10-20s, I'm guessing it's because it's because it's cycling through the various input sources looking for a signal.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by mojuba on Sunday June 23, 2019 @09:21AM (#20255289)
Might be that, also the computer itself might be another reason. But who cares? Why doesn't the monitor just re-establish the last known good connection quickly?
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by ebg13 on Sunday June 23, 2019 @09:21AM (#20255288)
But it could just look at all of the input sources at the same time. And anyway, these are solid state electronics, not hamsters and flywheels. Taking seconds to send "give me electrons" and for the other side to say "here are some electrons" is bonkers.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by jamesissac on Sunday June 23, 2019 @10:29AM (#20255754)
Being able to observe all inputs sources at the same time requires extra hardware(more utilisation of the FPGA resources), considering only one input is connected to the display at a time. So it's probable that the check is sequential.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by ebg13 on Sunday June 23, 2019 @10:03PM (#20259972)
"More" isn't a meaningful qualifier without a quantifier. I'm not convinced that it would take more than $0.01 worth of resource. I could even see doing it in a purely analog fashion with an extremely basic component like a mosfet. If a pin goes high because the computer responded to your request to send electrons, it sets the corresponding channel.

> So it's probable that the check is sequential.

It's a user unfriendly design for the process to be "send request, wait 5 seconds, send request on next channel, wait 5 seconds, send request on next channel, ..." when it could instead be sending requests across all channels rapidly and then that getting a response on a particular channel _activates_ that channel by analogue means.

Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by lazyjones on Sunday June 23, 2019 @05:25PM (#20258771)
I know you’re just guessing, but if that’s what happens, why don’t they just default to the last source used and start the cycling only if nothing is detected there?
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by kalleboo on Sunday June 23, 2019 @11:37PM (#20260317)
I have auto-input select disabled since I only use my monitor with a dock. Still takes 15 seconds.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by brokenmachine on Sunday June 23, 2019 @09:55PM (#20259946)
Why does it take 10-20s even if it is cycling through all the inputs though?
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by jjwhitaker on Monday June 24, 2019 @01:01PM (#20265706)
That's on the monitor, whatever process it is using to scan for input, warm up, or other needs. Buying a cheap offbrand monitor or something low end has drawbacks.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by unnouinceput on Sunday June 23, 2019 @09:44AM (#20255423)
10 to 20 seconds? What monitor do you have? All decent monitors have a maximum of 5 seconds.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by Sephr on Sunday June 23, 2019 @10:17AM (#20255672)
Unfortunately the very best LCD monitors currently all take pretty long to start up.

The Asus PG27UQ (regarded as the current-best consumer 27" 4K LCD) takes almost 20 seconds to start up, presumably to initialize a bunch of state for its FPGA.

Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by unnouinceput on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:01PM (#20257443)
LCD? What year is this, 2005? I have LED for over a decade now, and all my friends as well.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by Tagbert on Sunday June 23, 2019 @02:51PM (#20257835)
No, you don’t. Unless you are using an OLED screen, you have an LED-backlit LCD screen. Vendors call them LED monitors because it sounds more high tech than old LCD monitors.
Re:Why can't computers boot instantly? (2013) by MertsA on Sunday June 23, 2019 @06:00PM (#20258956)
That said, LED backlit LCDs are better than the old CCFL screens.