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Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by totaldude87 on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:11AM (#20241758)
Jio revolution is the main reason for this, after Jio almost every other vendor is giving you 30Gb(1Gb per day) for $5-6 , no wonder, there is a %30-40 utilization of data.

Majority of this utilization would be on Streaming, Torrent downloads etc etc, Also to note that , many of the calls made in India are VOLTE calls..

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by Roritharr on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:32AM (#20242327)
Jio is fascinating. I once held a talk at an event where their Interim CISO Karsten Nohl was also speaking.

The way Jio was built and what challenges they faced trying to build a gigantic mobile operator from scratch and building it secure from day one are a story i'd like to read a book about, but I'm already glad he held a talk about it.

The most interesting part was their realization that there was nearly no "new & secure" hardware available they could buy off the shelf, most came with old unpatched versions of software, many had components that simply had no update functionality at all, some had but required manual onsite intervention for updates, just what you need when you want to connect one of the largest countries on this planet. This was not third-rate stuff from China, he was talking Ericsson, Nokia, Huawei... the name brands involved in this space.

Fascinating and astounding what went on at this time at Jio and i'm grateful that sometimes people that deeply care about these issues get into these positions and get to fight these demons.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by KumarAseem on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:43AM (#20242890)
They had the advantage that they did not have any legacy systems to take care off. All the other operators have to take care of 2G and 3G network supporting infra along with putting in investment for 4G. So, Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals. They applied the approach of cannibalistic business growth. Also, there network is not good anymore now, as the subscriber base has grown. I have seen cross connects happening which used to happen in the days of landlines. Cross-connect, not sure if all know it by the same name, is when you call a number and you get connected to some other number. I have never faced this with other providers like Airtel, Idea and Vodafone in 13+ years of mobile phone usage. Jio is now in the same league as others, and is actually bad at the customer front level when compared to Airtel and Vodafone+Idea. This is from my own experience and of those in the close circle.
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by megaremote on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:41PM (#20247526)
> Jio had a lot of money to use to grab the customers by offering free deals

How do you make money offering free deals?

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by intended on Saturday June 22, 2019 @01:59AM (#20248253)
Jio is part of reliance, a conglomerate in the “more money than god” category.

They also are known for their ways with price competition. Even worse if you are an OEM, delayed payments are the norm.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by tsjq on Saturday June 22, 2019 @01:39AM (#20248205)
offer free deals build a large customer base very quickly take a large chunk off competitors' customers offer much cheaper plans than competition kill some competitors, make others struggle to survive. gradually increase tariff. start making profits.

all you need is a large chunk of money, or absurdly low-cost loans, or some govt "assistance", or a mix of these, to last until that "start making profits" line.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by xkgt on Saturday June 22, 2019 @06:34AM (#20248922)
I believe they are trying to make money out of other services by commoditizing internet. It seems unlikely that this aggressive pricing is to elbow out of the competitors because in this age, the tech companies normally have short-lived monopoly and long bets don't make much sense.
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by vram22 on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:47PM (#20246880)
Gigantic is right, often, when it comes to telecom.

Some years ago I worked on a Unix/C/Oracle software project for VSNL, a public sector or quasi-government entity that was India's telecom carrier to/from abroad (V for the word Videsh, which means foreign country in Hindi). Worked onsite in their office in Mumbai, near the (Arabian) Sea coast, where international telecom cables probably come in. There was a huge telecom switch installed there. It was like the size of several really high refrigerators pushed together. First time I had seen one. Some Oriental-looking engineers were working on it (could have been from some Japanese company like Fujitsu or whatever, which might have been into that line of products - switches). I asked our VSNL contact there what the thing was, and he said it was the main telecom switch for connectivity between the outside world and India, and cost about INR 200 crore (IIRC).

INR 200 crore in USD (today's rates):

https://www.google.com/search?q=INR+200+crore+in+USD

Works out to about USD 28 million for that switch.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by purplex on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:39AM (#20241959)
I totally agree with you. Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. Normally people subscribe for the 1 or 1.5 GB/day plan, which was earlier very much affordable compared to other operators. Not others too have reduced their prices to stay in competition.

One advantage is that Jio was totally new to the market so they started with 4G networks directly. The connectivity, voice clarity and bandwidth was very good due to only-4G network. Other operators were are still working on 2G, 3G and 4G.

I had earlier worked for Jio for 5 years and I feel proud today that I contributed for the country - in allowing the easy access of data to public. I remember, before 6 years I used to get 1 GB data for Rs. 250. Today for the same amount I can nearly get 50 GB data.

My wife also worked for Jio and today is her last day. I feel very sad now.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by sound1 on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:53AM (#20242066)
> Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content.

In my experience, a lot of people I know switched streaming services instead of torrents. Amazon prime and Hoststar are quite affordable and have decent content now a days and people generally don't bother with the torrents as much as they did a few years ago.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by vinay_ys on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:36AM (#20242829)
Except for Netflix which is $8/month, rest of the streaming services are very cheap. Hotstar has content from HBO, Showtime etc. Amazon Prime is ok. There are lots of Indian streaming services with Indian content. A lot of data consumption in India is video content hosted within India.
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by wtmt on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:36PM (#20245193)
Not comparing the content library, but the cost here. Netflix is not very expensive compared to Hotstar or Prime. The latter two are targeted at family watching. They don’t have the concept of user profiles on a single account. If you have a family of four with each wanting to watch something different without trashing others’ watch lists, progress, etc., then with Hotstar and Prime you’d have to buy four separate subscriptions. With Netflix, you get five separate user profiles for one price.

Also, the quality of video and the user experience on Netflix is leagues ahead of Prime and Hotstar (in that order). Hotstar is very poor on technology and design. It only has its content catalog to lean on.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by z3phyr on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:19AM (#20242245)
The torrent websites might be blocked, but the actual torrent protocol works. You just need to find magnets.
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by tellme_throwa on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:03AM (#20242563)
Nope, many trackers are blocked too and that is problematic for regional content

but there are things like free online leechers, telegram groups that freely share pirated content..

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by swarnie_ on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:28AM (#20242303)
Exactly, i never bought the "its blocked" excuse.

We've had major sites blocked in the UK for years but no one can keep up with proxybay.app and its endless rehosts.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by gowthamgts12 on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:50AM (#20242039)
While I'm happy that Jio is leading the data war, I'm little concerned about the competition (which is non-existent at this point). May be I'm paranoid, but I'm using Jio Postpaid and would never go to JioFiber to give away all my data.
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by tellme_throwa on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:01AM (#20242543)
It is not many people. AFAIK most people get pirated movies from telegram groups.

It is not possible to get old movies this way tho...

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by ignoramous on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:49AM (#20242026)
Jio censors the web of its own volition including censoring torrents and porn websites [0]. And it is no secret that it does deep packet inspection and kind of has an extensive footprint via its numerous apps that I'd presume gather how much ever data that they can abt its customers.

[0] This has interestingly resulted in folks using Helo, Telegram et al to share pirated content and porn.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by indogooner on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:54AM (#20242070)
why would WhatsApp not work for this given it is so popular?
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by johnchristopher on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:03AM (#20242138)
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by wtmt on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:23PM (#20245080)
It’s even cheaper than that. 1GB 4G data per day, with unlimited calls (local and long distance) and 100 SMS per day, can be had on prepaid plans that cost about $2 (₹140) per month on longer duration plans (like 84 days). With additional discounts, this can go down even further.

These plans are provided by the other major service providers.

Postpaid plans (contract plans) in India are ripoffs, comparatively.

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by kareemm on Friday June 21, 2019 @08:21AM (#20241826)
Can Jio make money at these prices? Or is Reliance subsidizing Jio (and if so, how heavily?)
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by inapis on Friday June 21, 2019 @11:27AM (#20243342)
Jio's business model is not exclusively dependent on direct revenue from consumers. It includes content play on films, videos, music, news + subsequent ads. They've also indicated that they will be doing deep packet inspection [1] on data passing through their network to presumably build ad profiles of it's users.

[1] https://in.reuters.com/article/reliance-telecoms-jio/from-bi...

Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by alberto_ol on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:48AM (#20242934)
in Italy I pay 8 Euros for 50GByte per month
Re:India has the highest data usage per smartphone by vram22 on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:57PM (#20246935)
So is that considered good or bad there?