I think the conventional Western stance is that the citizens of China are being oppressed by their authoritarian government and that they, as a whole, would prefer to live in an open democracy like we do. You say you "don't care" about criticism of the Chinese government. As a Westerner, I don't understand why you're (only) indifferent about it. I mean, there were a couple million people on the streets of Hong Kong this weekend that are presumably more than indifferent about the Chinese government.

So help me understand your point of view. Like for example, how do you feel about the U.S. actions against Huawei (in terms of being "anti-Chinese")?

For many Chinese, "learning" is semantically equal to "emulating". e.g. Learning to walk, learning to write, learning everything else. It's natural that the most advanced technological countries should influence the rest, like the rich is supposed to fund the poor and the strong should help the weak. And "learning" fast should be praised, like in schools. It's like a teacher shows off its skills and told students it's forbidden for follow? Tons of Chinese can not get the hang of this.

One more reason many Chinese people lost hope for the US during this trade war, is because it's argued that China does not practice "rule of the law", then Rubio introduced a bill that would nullity all Huawei patents registered in the US. So for many people, the US laws are as manipulative as China's. This is explosive WTF.

As for "anti-Chinese" vs. pro something else - if I may, that's a false dichotomy. There are a lot more commonalities among people from mainland Chinese/Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau than differences (practically none if/when the human race rises above this nationality bullshit). Ethnically speaking >90% of the population from those places are Han (there is an uncomfortable undercurrent of (at times reverse) Han chauvinism that I won't go into). I couldn't find (after searching through a couple recent HN threads) positively voted comments that are anti-Chinese so people and mods are doing a great job. OTOH, even downvoted and flagged posts are still representing opinions, unpopular as the content might be. Or maybe I am overly sensitive.

As for Huawei, I don't have love for any Crony capitalism or Plutocracy. They are doing some good research work though, and people working there are still people.

Of course, that a wrong view to have, but it is the first impression. Even more so when you consider the culture and history of CHina.

3) I think (I have no data! :() that HN has a larger majority of Chinese and Indian users than American ones at this point, I base this on what appears to be a larger investment in technical education by those two countries in the past few decades, and the attraction of those folks to the SV tech scene. I could be way off, but would love to see coarse geo-IP data from HN visitors :)

5) Agreed. I am all for being critical of governments behaving badly, not just China's, and it's a bummer when folks couple people to their governments. It's a sure-fire way to make those people support their governments.

Alexa and SimilarWeb both agreed US is still by a large margin where the most traffic come from, with India being in the top five. Can't attest to the accuracy but at least it's data.

Consider the fact that English is a (required in school but still) foreign language in China, it's probably not super popular (back) there, although I could be (happily) incorrect.

My only challenge which is just as pointless as the previous is that I believe these tools rely on data gathered from browser plugins and ISPs which might bid them to US audiences.

With that said the English speaking fact is very strong. India’s tech literate population is dominated by English so I’ll stand behind that assumption but you are almost certainly right that this would put Chinese visitors in a bit of a minority. Thanks so much for engaging. HN needs more of this good faith back and forth, as does the Internet in general.

It's not just an HN problem. I think there's a real danger of anti-Chinese Communist Party sentiment fanning anti-Han Chinese people sentiment.