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Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by jerf on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @02:43PM (#20226023)
When I was in high school and part-time shelving books at the local town library, no I didn't. Not for that work. Pocket money for a teenager was about the right amount of pay.

Not everyone is a single mother trying to make ends meet for her two children. We should not make economic policy as if they are.

"So why don't we take care of them?" Single mothers trying to make ends meet have access to a wide array of social programs already. We are already not abandoning them to the tender mercies of minimum wage and nothing else.

Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by smileysteve on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:05PM (#20226308)
> When I was in high school and part-time

> Not everyone is a single mother trying to make ends meet

In the meantime, student loans are at an all time high!

Whether or not you had college paid for by somebody else who saved or even if you didn't need to go; Teenagers need more than pocket money, afterall, in 2 years they will, for the median, be committing to loan terms that will take 10+ years to pay off, if they ever do.

Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by hodr on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:38PM (#20226583)
Isn't that an argument for addressing the costs of tuition, and not an argument for artificially setting the value of labor?
Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by smileysteve on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @11:08PM (#20229494)
Not in isolation. A 16 year old's upcoming expenses are a car, car insurance, tuition, housing, food, and more... And if possible should be contributing to a retirement account as well.

A 16 year old also may not have a college opportunity and may decide to go straight to work, may decide to go straight to having a family with a high school sweetheart. At that point, the 16-18 year old needs a liveable wage too.

Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by radford-neal on Friday June 21, 2019 @11:42PM (#20247879)
No, 16-year-olds should not be contributing to retirement accounts. The return on investment in such an account will be far less than the return from investing that money in increasing their own human capital. This could be by buying good books to read, buying a computer to learn to program on, or paying for movie tickets to go out on a date with someone who may be their future spouse.
Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by glenda on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @02:47PM (#20226067)
Sure, but the majority of people with jobs need them to survive. I'm happy that wasn't an issue for you in high school though.
Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by intopieces on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:02PM (#20226268)
Exceptions to minimum wage laws already exist for the case you mentioned, so there is no issue with raising the federal minimum wage to account for the increased cost of living for those that depend on it for this.
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Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by hodr on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:43PM (#20226627)
Yes. Let's go with this logic. Do you know what percentage of people in this country make minimum wage (or less)? According to the BLS it's 2.3% of wage earners, which are 58% of workers, which are 78% of the population of adults.

So, 1.04% of the adult population of the US makes minimum wage.

In your logic, why should we set national economic policy based on 1%?

Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by peterwwillis on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:10PM (#20226863)
Can you restate this please? It doesn't make sense; how are 2.3% of wage earners actually 58% of workers actually 78% of the adult population actually 1% of adult population?

From [1]: 1.8 million workers made the federal minimum wage or less. But that does not say how many people made less than $15 an hour, which is considered a living wage. According to the NELP in 2016, 42% of US workers make less than $15 per hour. Nearly half of US workers. [2]

So raising the minimum wage would support nearly half the US workforce to be able to, you know, live. I think setting economic policy with this in mind makes more sense than only considering what teenagers need.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm [2] https://raisetheminimumwage.com/fight-for-15/

Re:America has never gone this long without hiking the feder... by hodr on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:16PM (#20277143)
Restated: 78% of adults work. 58% of workers are "wage earners" (paid hourly, not salary) 2.3% of wage earners earn minimum wage.

Therefore 0.0230.580.78 = 0.0104, or just over 1% of adults earn minimum wage.