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Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by sjg007 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:20PM (#20220304)
Did you even read the article? If you want to build secret tunnels under your house, employ a licensed contractor and several engineers. Have them sign NDAs even.
Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by dfeojm-zlib on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @12:36AM (#20220829)
Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by WilliamEdward on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:04AM (#20220930)
I'll protest this guideline. People need to be called out more on not reading articles, it happens way too often here. I'm guilty of it too.
Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by millzlane on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @01:40AM (#20221071)
I think calling people out would be against the ethos of the site. The first guideline for comments is Be kind. And not snarky. Sure some people may need it but I don't think it contributes anything good to the community. Some discussions could be about or related to the submission's title and not the actual article.
Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:29PM (#20220340)
I know you mean well but that attitude is basically equivalent to "be rich enough to pay other people to have the liability or don't bother" in practice.
Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by jessaustin on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:58PM (#20220464)
This is the only way this can work. If you want to build and occupy your own construction, that's great. May you only cut the corners that won't result in your own painful death. If you want to pay others to labor under your direction, you have to get that inspected.

I say this as someone who does a great deal of unprofessional carpentry, electrical work, mechanical repair, excavation, plumbing, etc. for myself and for family members. I would never have gone willingly into that hole. I certainly would never have asked anyone else to do so. No unexploited worker would have done this work.

Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by dfeojm-zlib on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @12:39AM (#20220840)
Reminds me of the underground structures Colin Furze has conjured up:

- an underground multi-level beach hut: https://youtu.be/AojTrc_UMaM

- apocalypse bunker under his shed: https://youtu.be/KO25JYAaJC0

Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @06:17AM (#20222122)
There's a hell of a lot of space between "yeah, that hole is fked but you do you" and "hire someone or GTFO" which is what the comment I initially replied to is advocating for.

Property owners should be able to do their own work on their own property or act as their own general contractors. Disallowing that is right up there with gated communities that tell you exactly how tall your grass should be but that's the only way to prevent this kind of thing. I don't think everone's (already highly limited) right do what they want on their own property should be further curtailed because of one bad actor.

Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by jessaustin on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @10:27AM (#20223646)
I had a different reading of parent. It doesn't mean Beckwitt had to hire someone; after all Beckwitt already had decided to hire without any input from us. It means that if you do hire someone for hazardous technical work, hire someone capable of doing that hazardous technical work (which would include the judgment to walk away from unsafe jobs), not some poor clueless guy you can bully.

Yes that would have been too expensive for Beckwitt, and he would have never been able to get permits for it. That would have been society functioning correctly.

Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by sjg007 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:58PM (#20220453)
Umm.. how about we start with, get a permit and adhere to building code and the law.
Re:Millionaire hacker gets 9 years in death of man building ... by dllthomas on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:37PM (#20220378)
But... people with professional training around managing exactly that kind of liability, at least in theory.