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Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by pier25 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:02PM (#20219316)
There isn't much the individual can do to fix climate change.

Even if you went completely off the grid to live in the woods outside of the industrial civilization eating plants etc this wouldn't fix anything.

Yes, you would certainly reduce your emissions but this is not nearly enough.

Even if a miracle happened and we reached global zero emissions today there are already 415ppm in the atmosphere which will remain there for thousands of years.

Because of climate lag we are now only seeing the effects from the emissions from the 70s and early 80s. Even in 30-40 years when we can see the effects from our current emissions it will not stop there. There are many self sustaining climatic systems that will have been triggered and will continue to change the climate.

Humanity needs to invest all possible resources into clean energy and carbon sequestration. If we don't go all in during the next decade we are done.

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by loons2 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:26PM (#20219482)
> Even if a miracle happened and we reached global zero emissions today there are already 415ppm in the atmosphere which will remain there for thousands of years.

Cite please?

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by pier25 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:29PM (#20219504)
https://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-atmospheric-co2-j...

> The lifetime in the air of CO2, the most significant man-made greenhouse gas, is probably the most difficult to determine, because there are several processes that remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Between 65% and 80% of CO2 released into the air dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20–200 years. The rest is removed by slower processes that take up to several hundreds of thousands of years, including chemical weathering and rock formation. This means that once in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide can continue to affect climate for thousands of years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/16/greenhou...

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by loons2 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:36PM (#20219543)
Thanks. A staff writer for the Guardian. Think I'll look a bit further for a more authoritative (read logical) number.
Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by pier25 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:48PM (#20219603)
I was being gentle. Is the IPCC good enough for you?

> There is sufficient uptake capacity in the ocean to incorporate 70 to 80% of foreseeable anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere, this process takes centuries due to the rate of ocean mixing. As a result, even several centuries after emissions occurred, about a quarter of the increase in concentration caused by these emissions is still present in the atmosphere.

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/TAR-03.pdf

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by jammygit on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @09:13PM (#20220060)
Researching or deploying green tech would take a chunk out of things on an individual level
Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by cardamomo on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:31PM (#20220348)
Do you have a specific technology in mind? What do you mean by that impacting things on the individual level?
Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by growlist on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:39PM (#20227105)
The UN wants co2 reduced, but is apparently acquiescent about massive population growth in the developing world, and indeed openly promotes mass migration from there to the developed world, necessitating massive construction, infrastructure creation etc.

Apparently I'm a hateful person for noticing this discrepancy.

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by pier25 on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:57PM (#20227253)
> is apparently acquiescent about massive population growth in the developing world

Probably because imposing natality rates would be quite unpopular. Humans tend to think having kids is an inalienable right.

China got away with it because China, but this would not work in other countries.

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Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by dang on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @12:48AM (#20220871)
Please don't do this here.
Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by DuskStar on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @08:06PM (#20219705)
Are you sure that not having children or killing yourself actually reduces long term global carbon emissions? Because the second order effects start to get odd, here.

Imagine that all the people who believed in climate change - globally - committed suicide in some appropriately low-carbon manner. Everyone remaining does not believe in climate change. How long does it take the population to bounce back, and what sort of global warming mitigation do you think happens? Does the world in this thought experiment end up emitting less carbon?

Individual actions might have next to no effect, but institutional actions will. Giving up your opportunity to influence those institutional actions (whether through your own efforts or those of your children) is not beneficial to the environment. Of course, this calculus is different for the average person. But if you're the sort of person who's contemplating suicide to help the environment, you're exactly the sort of person that the world needs to not commit suicide.

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by orhmeh09 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @10:20PM (#20220300)
Adoption is a thing.
Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by DuskStar on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @12:41AM (#20220845)
That is true, but its effectiveness here depends on how much of a person's behavior is nature vs nurture. Political beliefs are influenced by genetics [0], why should environmentalism be an exception?

0: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/

Re:Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than predicted by pier25 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:33PM (#20219531)
Yeah but my point is that reducing our carbon footprint is not even scratching the surface of the problem.