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Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by toomuchtodo on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:10PM (#20215430)
And yet, there are fully remote companies (bootstrapped, lifestyle, and startups) collectively worth over a billion dollars that are fully remote. I don't buy this argument at all having worked for one of them. Face to face communication is only necessary if your collaboration tools and business/workplace processes are not up to par, and that's a business problem, not a social interaction problem.

To echo the refrain others have said in this thread, "Hire remote, hire remote, hire remote."

I would love to see HN's monthly Who's Hiring prioritize/bubble up fully remote jobs to the top of the list first. Give an advantage to those who are helping the situation. This is no different than roads. You can't just keep building roads forever. You have to destroy demand for local habitation once it reaches a point beyond which equilibrium can ever be reached, and the Bay Area is beyond that point. Let people work from places where they can afford to live better lives.

EDIT: @aerophilic: Agree entirely with your comment.

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by aerophilic on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:19PM (#20215556)
In my personal experience managing and being part of different teams (remote, onsite, hybrids).

I have found that what is in general most effective is that EVERYONE on the team is remote, or everyone is co-located. You can do hybrids, remote work with an on site team if the remote folks are strong communicators and/or people that are more task oriented (Assuming you have someone to manage them) but there is a tax on doing so, and often they won’t feel as connected.

Even in the above hybrid example, there are specific things you need to “plan in” to be effective (things like an office buddy, regular sync up times, clear responsibilities/action lists, etc).

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by davidw on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:31PM (#20215737)
This is a great observation: my observation is that there's a tipping point. Get enough people in the office, and side conversations are much easier to do face to face, and you end up skipping the collaboration tools.
Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by davidw on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:13PM (#20215475)
Those companies are pretty cool and I think we'll see more in the future. That said, while they're better than the alternative of not existing at all, it's not a given that they're not inferior to a company operating out of one office where it's easier to communicate.
Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by CiPHPerCoder on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:15PM (#20215505)
Open offices with white noise generators don't exactly strike me as the paragon of ease of communication.
Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by minwcnt5 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:35PM (#20215793)
They work better than closed offices, in my experience, for the roles I've worked in (software engineering).

I'm way more likely to ask a co-worker over to my desk to show them something or have a discussion if they're a few feet away within sight and earshot. In an open office I also overhear a lot of pertinent information -- I'm aware of issues that might be relevant to me as they develop, I don't have to wait hours or days for someone to communicate them in an email, issue tracker, or meeting.

There's a cost in terms of readily available heads-down concentration time to be sure, but if I want to mess around with math formulas or something I pop on the headphones, go to a quiet room, or do it at home. It's much harder to replicate the benefits of an open office environment in a closed one than the reverse.

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by manigandham on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @06:31PM (#20219119)
So an open floor plan full of distractions for the occasional time you call someone else over audibly and immediately, while possible interrupting them and others? And when you want to work, wear headphones or go to an entirely different place?

Why does it make sense to optimize for the former instead of the latter? The benefits must be studied in context of how overall productivity and bottomline is affected, not just easy it is to start talking to someone.

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by joshuamorton on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:21PM (#20215589)
There are also sole proprietorships collectively worth billions. That doesn't mean that a sole proprietorship is the best way to run a company.

Perhaps I'm weird, but I'm not interested in working remote. It's isolating socially and politically, and I work slower over the medium term.

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by smileysteve on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @03:45PM (#20217561)
> collectively worth over a billion dollars that are fully remote

This factoid detracts from the argument; When the op is about a (or several) company individually worth about a trillion dollars.

Re:$1B for 20,000 Bay Area homes by BurningFrog on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @01:20PM (#20215580)
Sure, but one billion dollars is only 0.more_zeros_than_I_care_to_compute% of the value of all tech companies.