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Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Monday June 17, 2019 @03:30AM (#20200695)
Depends, do you have ~$500 to spare?

I ask because the single best book on cybernetics (and I mean it, it feels a tad bit absurd how much better than other works on the topic it seems to me) costs roughly that, isn't available on Libgen, and nobody dares mention it anywhere in fear of driving prices on used copies up, because nobody wants the publisher to get any money for it, cause while they sure charge a lot for it, they actively hampered efforts by the original authors for a new edition of the book. (The rights to it eventually did end up in the right hands - a decade too late.)

If you wanna know why we don't see widespread adaption of systems thinking, it seems almost singularly caused by the nega-butterfly effect of that book not sitting on Libgen & having a price tag on it so gigantic people don't even wanna talk about it.

So ironic, makes me want to puke.

Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by enkiv2 on Monday June 17, 2019 @07:07AM (#20201733)
Are you talking about the 2nd edition of "Design for a Brain"?

There are embarassingly many cybernetics books this could refer to (particularly from the midcentury)...

Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by Tomte on Monday June 17, 2019 @08:12AM (#20202094)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:41PM (#20229077)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:46PM (#20229105)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by roystonvassey on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @06:31AM (#20211436)
Is this....a troll comment on HN? Well set up, if so.
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:36PM (#20229045)
It's not, but seeing how I get accused of all kinds of things here by now and people have started swarming my DMs on Twitter, here y'all go — but one of you better put it on Libgen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Encyclopedia_of_...

Seems I recalled the price wrong - over $600, apparently.

And here, links to two reviews of the first edition:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/%28SICI%2910...

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/%28SICI%2910...

Also, here, a slide deck about the second edition:

http://benking.de/systems/encyclopedia/BBK-Saur-Library-Fran...

I hope the third edition comes around at some point...

Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by playing_colours on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @03:28AM (#20210443)
Well, I can spare 500 on it, can you please share the title, here on in an email, otherwise, what is the point?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:37PM (#20229050)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by yash_8141 on Monday June 17, 2019 @04:12AM (#20200886)
ok i am curious what is the name of the book?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:37PM (#20229051)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by cryptonode on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:42PM (#20206083)
I'm super curious as the rest. Wild guess, are you talking about Brain of the firm?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:37PM (#20229052)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by Jtsummers on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:48PM (#20206128)
That's only $120 new from the publisher.
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:41PM (#20229079)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by pacificleo12 on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @05:35AM (#20210999)
I can spare $500 if the book is good . can you DM Me ?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:37PM (#20229053)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by CyberCatMeow on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @07:09AM (#20211682)
If this is true, i would be interested as well.
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:37PM (#20229055)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by adblu on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:25AM (#20221460)
I would like to have it also. Please DM me
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:36PM (#20229048)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by algorithm_dk on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @06:29AM (#20211420)
Can you please DM me the title of the book?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:39PM (#20229064)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by dpeck on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @02:06PM (#20216325)
beautiful example of testing a market combined with a little pickup artist style negging. Bravo
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:38PM (#20229060)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by kjerzyk on Monday June 17, 2019 @12:50PM (#20204861)
Well now I need to know.
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:38PM (#20229061)
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by dredmorbius on Monday June 17, 2019 @03:52AM (#20200796)
Brand?
Re:Ask HN: What to read after “Thinking in Systems”? by no_identd on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @09:40PM (#20229073)