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Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by gok on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:13PM (#20187088)
They are most certainly terrorists. How is "I'm going to blow up an airplane unless you don't fly it" different from "I'm going to fly a robot into an airplane, potentially causing loss of life unless you don't fly it"?

How about "I'm going to aim blinding lasers at pilot flying a plane unless you don't fly the plane?"

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by AnimalMuppet on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:29PM (#20187178)
"With advance warning, I'm going to fly a robot into an area where your rules will require you to not fly airplanes into the airport" is quite a bit weaker (note the absence of any actual threat to the airplanes).
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by henryfjordan on Friday June 14, 2019 @07:31PM (#20187505)
How is that any different from calling in a fake bomb threat?
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by AnimalMuppet on Friday June 14, 2019 @07:58PM (#20187629)
It's different from "I'm going to fly a robot into an airplane". My point is that gok's summary of this threat is rather off the mark. As for gok's analogy to a bomb threat... enough has probably already been said about that.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by mort96 on Friday June 14, 2019 @07:48PM (#20187583)
I suppose a bomb is a threat whether the plane flies or not, while a drone is only a threat if the airport decides to fly planes despite knowing there are drones in the area.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by bayareanative on Friday June 14, 2019 @08:09PM (#20187661)
Apply common sense: One threatens violence, the other threatens inconvenience. Duh. If a "fake bomb threat," were called, it would have no effect. Bomb threats have to be credible to have weight, which would also an act of terrorism, meant or not.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by roenxi on Friday June 14, 2019 @10:33PM (#20188105)
What, they are just making up rules for fun? If it shuts down the airport, it is because it poses a risk to planes. Otherwise they'd just ignore the drone.

They aren't trying to kill people, so they aren't colloquially terrorists, but they are purposefully introducing risk to the activity of ordinary people.

Giving warnings is more responsible than the alternatives, but it doesn't really excuse putting passengers at risk.

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by dvtrn on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:21PM (#20187128)
So you’re trying to make a point by positing the most extreme scenarios of what these people could do instead of what they’ve clearly stated they will do-anticipated actions that don’t come close to being the same thing as bombing airplanes or destroying physical infrastructure?

Perhaps I missed reading statements where these people said they would fly an unmanned drone into a plane

I feel like there should be a term for this tactic of debate...

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by shaftway on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:31PM (#20187199)
If someone called in a bomb threat and said "I'm only going to blow up the areas between the runways; don't worry, there will be no loss of life or limb", I'm pretty sure that the response would be the same.

They are doing this because they know that the risk of danger is high enough that officials will shut down air traffic.

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by dvtrn on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:35PM (#20187234)
Exactly. Forcing officials hands by diverting and disrupting normal aviation activity is the exact outcome this group wants. Not a loss of life. It seems that you understand this point quite well.

The response may or may not be the same if a bomb threat were called, but that’s not what happened and it seems you clearly understand this; I’m forced to then ask-why stretch the metaphor to the point of absurdity as you’ve done above?

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by AnimalMuppet on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:43PM (#20187276)
Um, to me it looks like you're yelling at the wrong person. I think gok is the one with the bomb threat analogy, not shaftway.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by dvtrn on Friday June 14, 2019 @10:05PM (#20188028)
Not sure about yelling but I did indeed direct the inquiry to the wrong party. My apologies for this mistake.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by detaro on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:18PM (#20187111)
Except they are not threatening to fly a drone into a plane.
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by gok on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:22PM (#20187134)
So if LHR decides to let airplanes fly anyway, they'll stop flying the drones?
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by detaro on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:39PM (#20187252)
Or continue flying them in places where it's forbidden, but planes don't go. Which is not 100% without risk and would leave little time to react if they'd leave them (which is why flying there is forbidden), but very far from "intentionally flying a drone into a plane".
Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by AnimalMuppet on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:46PM (#20187290)
In particular, I strongly suspect that Heathrow has zones which, while not directly in the flight path, are still "too close" and will therefore cause them to stop operating airplanes.

As you say, that's not 100% without risk. It's an erosion of the safety margin, and safety margins are there for a reason.

Re:Drones piloted by climate-change activists target Heathrow by TeMPOraL on Friday June 14, 2019 @06:42PM (#20187266)
Quite probably. They're not crazy. Not as crazy as LHR would be in this hypothetical situation.